Dick Schaefer speaks on Margarito's welterweight status (but not Pacquiao's)

There's a head scratcher.

 

He brings up a good point! Williams did beat Margarito and knocked Quintana out.

 

What did Pacquiao do?

Most people want to see a Williams-Margarito rematch, but Schaefer ain't the right messenger.

 

Why is Oscar overlooking Paul Williams?

 

Oscar aint trying to get in the ring with this young Lion. I think what Oscar want's in a easy fight. Low risk. Can't really blame him. He is towards the end of his career.

 

As I said already in another thread, there is a legitimate argument to be made for Williams to be considered the best 147lb-er out there right now.

A re-match between WIlliams and Margarito would make very good sense.

MTF

 

Who is Paul Williams?

 

He's been looking for low risk for years.

 

I agree. But Delahoya remains very popular in boxing regardless who he fights. It's a win, win for him.:bangh:

 

The best guy at 147 at the moment.

 

I agree. I would love to see Delahoya vs Williams! I wonder if Delahoya would be able to hurt Williams with his patent left hook!:cheer:

 

I think it's undecided.

Margarito has fought the higher quality of opposition, over his career and in recent years, so his status is far more solidified than Williams'.

Williams has beaten every opponent and has a head to head victory, but that was hardly a definitive points decision, IMO. It was 7-5, in my eyes, and Margarito was clearly controlling the fight late and getting to Williams before Williams salvaged his early round performance with his final round jog to avoid a draw.

But he followed it up with two extremely divergent fights against Quintana, who is really a mid-level contender. Clearly outboxed in the first fight (certainly not as close as Williams-Margarito), and blows him out in the rematch.

I don't know that a 2-1 record against Margarito and Quintana (the only real quality opopnents of his career) is better than a 3-1 record against Clottey, Williams, Cintron, and Cotto...especially when you compare the manner of their losses.

 

well margarito is actually 4-1 against cintron, clottey, williams and cotto.

 

yeah, like he did to forbes, he knocked him down thrice and KO'ed him brutally while forbes remained in the floor, chin broken, convulsing and with his right eye out of it's socket, bleeding like a stuck pig.

 

I was talking about during a particular period of time...specifically since Williams started to fight at/near contender level, which if you're being nice to Williams, was in 2006 (when he fought Mathysse and Mitchell), but really didn't even begin until he fought Margarito.

 

Yeah, that fights as likely as DLH-Forrest and DLH-Wright, so the chances of DLH landing that left hook on Williams is about as likely as him landing it against either of them.

 

Williams/Goossen wants a 50/50 split of $4 million with Margarito.

 

Let's B HONEST...

YOU & Other Margarita Supporters (& DON'T Even Attempt to Say U're NOT a SUPPORTER of Margarita), Looooooooooooove to Present the Paul Williams Fight N THE MOST Positive Light Possible, as it Pertains to Margarita...

But Being HONEST, THE FAIREST Verdict was INDEED "Williams by Decision"...Sure, it was a CLOSE Fight that CONCEIVABLY Could've Went "Either Way", but if Margarita had Gotten the Knod, the Word "Robbery" Would've been Used...A DRAW was the ABSOLUTE BEST Margarita Could've Hoped 4, Cause he DID NOT Beat Paul Williams that Night...

Paul Williams OUTFOUGHT Margarita, PERIOD...& Just when the Fight MIGHT have been Up for Grabs, Williams DECISIVELY Took Round 12...Not Sure HOW a Guy can Throw OVER 100 Punches, yet have that Round Classified as a "Jog"...


REED:mj:

 

Williams throws a lot of arm punches, how do you think he maintains that workrate?

He didnt against Quintana in the rematch, though. I'd like to see him fight that way more often, because I think his quality can be better than his quantity.

 

Could U Imagine the OUTRAGE There'd B if Floyd Mayweather had a LOSS on his Record to a Welterweight Champion, while Simultaneously Calling HIMSELF "The Man" @ 147???:boohoo:
However "Close" it was, Margarita LOST that Fight (Best Case Scenario for him was DRAW, Cause he DID NOT BEAT Paul Williams that Night), so Get OVER it...

Considering All the BITCHING Margarita & his Supporters Did Over the YEARS, the LAST Thing he/they Need to Do is Start Justifying Why he SHOULDN'T Fight Certain Guys...

Currently, Margarita is Angling for a Fight w/DeLa, NO DIFFERENT than when Floyd Fought Baldomir INSTEAD of Margarita, as he Angled for a Fight w/DeLa....

REED DOESN'T Blame Margarita @ All for Pursuing the Most LUCRATIVE Matchup Possible, as Loooooooooong as Margarita Supporters DON'T Justify it...Or, if U Do, CEASE & DESIST w/that "Floyd DUCKED Margarita" BULLSHIT...



REED:mj:

 

I guess you'll have to point out where I stated Margarito was the welterweight champion or where I stated it was a draw.

Typical inventions on your part.

Furthermore, I love how simultaneous involves Margarito beating two champions and Williams going 1-1 against a middle contender this year.

I stated on the night he beat Cotto that he should rematch Williams.

BTW, nice introduction of Floyd Mayweather into the thread. :bears:

 

Whatever, Dude...:boohoo:

REED the Following Quote OF YOURS, then SPARE REED your PSUEDO "Objectivity"...It's CLEAR that U're a Margarita SUPPORTER & there's NO Harm N that...

But for WHATEVER Reason, U Persist ACTING like U Ride the Fence...

Williams has beaten every opponent and has a head to head victory, but that was hardly a definitive points decision, IMO. It was 7-5, in my eyes, and Margarito was clearly controlling the fight late and getting to Williams before Williams salvaged his early round performance with his final round jog to avoid a draw.

Paul Williams BEAT Margarita...DIGEST It...


REED:mj:

 

I didn't even say he deserved a draw or could have, but you did.

"Best Case Scenario for him was DRAW"

 

Hmmm...methinks you missed the point.

The original question was 'why is Oscar overlooking Williams'? My (sardonic) response of 'who is he' is the most likely reason why the Golden Tranny is overlooking him. He is a virtual unknown in the public eye and will bring practically ZERO cash to any potential fight table.

These, along with not fighting anyone capable of hurting him, are the prime motivating factors of Oscar now, and that is why Williams is being overlooked.

MTF

 

Any Welter who fights Oscar can and should be criticised for doing so on the grounds that:

a. Oscar is old and past it
b. Oscar is irrelevant at this point (except money)
c. 147 is loaded.

My criticism of the Floyd-Oscar exhibition match would stand for ANY such match versus Maragrito, Williams or anyone else.

MTF

 

Again, SPARE REED your COY Bullshit, Dude...

The Quote that REED Highlighted CLEARLY Shows YOUR Thoughts on the Williams-Margarita Fight...

Shit, U CAN'T Even Allow YOURSELF to ADMIT that Williams WON it, w/Out Adding some PRO Margarita Slant to it...


REED:boohoo:

 

Williams beat Margarito! There was no controversy about it.

And btw if they fight again, Williams beats him again.

 

This is such a manufactured debate.

I clearly stated I scored it for Williams.

The fact is, you can't post in a topic regarding Margarito without trying to pick a fight with someone (or bringing up Mayweather's name, apparently).

 

I know what the point was, my point was Shaefer shouldn't be saying anything about who should be fighting who when he's involved in the Oscar vs Pac circus.

 

Agreed on the first part, it was close but clear. I'll take Margarito in a rematch though.