Personally, I am looking forward to seeing what Lacy has left, and if Menfredo can do anything to bother Lacy coming off the long layoff. As a Lacy fan, I am looking forward to hopefully seeing him deposit Manfredo in the 5th row. Does anyone here expect us to find out anything about these guys that we didn't already know? Does anyone care about this fight? Anyone?
i struggled to give Manfredo a chance until i thought back to Lacy-Sheika....Lacy tends to start fast but if Manfredo hangs in there for a few rounds then he's got a good chance....i don't think Lacy's power in the latter half of a fight is the same as it is early doors
I'll always be a Jeff Lacy fan, but no, I don't particularly care about this fight. Interested to see how Jeff fares after a year layoff and recovering from surgery... but not sure a win does anything other than keep him afloat.
You know, I tend to agree with you. I don't think this is a bad fight at all for a pay per view undercard.
No question! As undercards go (especially recently) this is a great matchup. At the very least, you have a couple of guys who could headline a Saturday Night Showtime card fighting on a must win fight for both of them. Lacy feels like he has a ton to prove and Manfredo has a bigtime chip on his shoulder because he still believes he is an A-list performer. Should be interesting to see the way he attacks Lacy.
yeah but that's because showtime cards, for the most part, have turned to shit. it's almost as if their response to all of the praise they received in 2006 was to make shiitier match-ups - like they mean not to do more than the bare minimum, and the praise they got was a sign they'd missed their mark.
Manfredo just isn't good. Lacy would have to be tottally shot and injured in this fight to lose to Manfredo.
Showtime had a down year, but part of the problem is that their fall line-up really fell apart...but it's hard to fault them for injuries to Klitschko and Diaconu and the situation with Vargas, which pretty much gutted the four consecutive weeks of boxing they were planning on.
Their biggest problem is the same problem they have every year, it seems - the same two promoters (Shaw and King) are given almost all of the dates. The only SCB card that wasn't promoted by either was the November card (Golden Boy), which Showtime pretty much got by accident. They started out strong, but strangely enough, their year seemed to die along with Chico. And considering they only run 12 premium shows per year, there's no excuse for what's been offered the past eight months, with the exception of Vazquez-Marquez II. Donaire-Darchinyan was memorable due to the result, but their past two years have gone along those lines - their best moments occurring almost by chance. Also, for the first time probably since its inception, you can make the case that ShoBox had an inferior year to both ESPN2 and Telefutura. Basically, they need to stop accepting HBO's leftovers, and expand beyond Shawtime (and KingVision). Otherwise, they might as well scale all the way down and become the Saturday night version of what ESPN2 and Versus offer.
I don't know how much chance there was in Donaire-Darchinyan bout, I though Nonito had a very good chance going in...and the main event was good that night as well. I didn't think those were mismatches before the fights...and that's part of the reason why I like Showtime...because lesser known fighters actually get a chance to fight on the network. There were obviously some duds this year...Peter-Toney II and Marquez-Juarez ended up being two pedestrian fights, though they weren't considered that bad going in (and in fact, if there's to be criticism it should be that HBO wanted to put Marquez-Barrios/Juarez on pay per view in the first place). I still think that if Dawson-Diaconu, Maskaev-Peter, Klitschko-McCline and Mayorga-Vargas pay per view come off like they were intended opinions on Showtime's year would be significantly improved.
I have a response, but in fairness we should find a way to steer the thread back toward the direction of Lacy-Manfredo ::
The thread asks if anyone cares about Lacy-Manfredo... The fact that it's been easily diverted should tell you all you need to know.
showtime caught some bad breaks - yeah - but that doesn't change the facts - their shows were crap for the most part this year. tarver/santiago? wtf? tarver/muriqui? wtf? i don't even remember the others they were so bad. i agree with you in theory though that showtime is preferable to HBO given it's preference for great fights, and not necessarily great fighters. but they hype guys just as much and try to sell super-stardom just like HBO if you listen carefully - at least Albert does. Bernstein i think makes a conscious effort not to, and i really appreciate his honesty and apparent professionalism when it comes to that. the issue i see with the no exclusive contracts for fighters (and believe me i'm all for it), is that it can't move to close to solving the problem as long as HBO keeps doing it. it's a situation in which it has to cease completely, across networks, for it to really improve the sport. what happens now is, a fighter, say like Dawson, gets regular dates on showtime. say he gets an offer from Sloppy who's contracted with HBO. so the fight would be on HBO. fine. Dawson's not contracted with Showtime. but in an unspoken way he is. and he puts that at risk if he goes and fights on HBO against Sloppy. so what does he do? he makes sure it's worth his while and asks for too much money in Sloppy's opinion. what happens? the fight doesn't get made. none of this shit would happen if HBO stopped playing promoter. and i think Jake makes a good point - when Showtime works with a total of 2 promoters (Shaw and DK), it's tantamount to having exclusive contracts with fighters, is it not?
I don't really care about Manfredo. I don't think much of him. I care more about Lacy because he has been a pretty exciting fighter. I dont' think he is shot like some think. I think he will look pretty good against someone like Manfredo. :clap:
I wouldn't go as far as saying that I CARE for Mandfredo v Lacy, but I am interested to see if Lacy has anything left after a very, very bad 18 months for him. At his best, I'm still not sure who would beat him @ 168, save for the obvious pair of JC and Kessler? Manfredo is cack. Unadulterated cack, in fact MTF
