Does anyone think Margarito might have ruined Williams?....

I was watching their fight again, and Williams put up a brave performance (minus all of the holding), but damn he took some sick shots to the body and the head. Does anyone think he might have left too much in the ring that night?

 

This is why he should move on. Win or lose in a rematch , Margarito is no good for him.
Though I don't believe he has left part of himself in the ring.
I do think if he keeps getting into fights like that , he eventually will though.

 

Margarito didn't land enough punches to have ruin Williams....

 

I never understood what the big deal was with Margarito anyway.

Williams is a tough welterweight, but he isn't that damn good himself.

Both these guys are a level below Cotto, Shane and maybe even Zab.

 

no.

 

watch the fight again dude. he landed plenty. and hard ones too. williams landed a lot too but hardly anything hard. the only real good shots he caught margarito with was the right hook. and he flicked his jab so bad margarito didn't even swell.

margarito was digging uppercuts to williams' lower abdomen though. that can cause internal bleeding and all kinds of shit. plus he was hitting him square on the chin with right hands that he'd follow up with left uppers. those kinds of combinations kill too.

i hope he's okay. and it's not like he looked like Taylor by fight's end, but i do think there's a possibility that Williams left something there that night. and maybe margarito did too, btw. although i think moreso than anything he just got tired in the last round and maybe was afraid of getting knocked down. not sure why he was less aggressive in the 12th.

 

Zab? :laughing:

you're wrong. and you'll find out soon enough. except that none of those guys will ever fight williams or margarito. you watch.

and if they're as average as you say, then why would cotto fight urkal, or quintana, and not williams or margarito?

no.1 Williams
no.1a Margarito

time will tell - especially if Mosley beats Cotto because he has the balls to fight anyone. Cotto, if he beats Mosley, will probably fight Zab again or some shit.

 

Co-Sign

 

We've got to see how Williams performs in the future.

It was a good grueling fight, but it didn't seem like a career-ruiner type of fight.

 

If Williams loses or looks like shit it will be because he had a bad traing camp, wasn't healthy or because of the opponent hes in the ring with. It sure won't be because of what Margorito did in their fight.

 

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Cotto was schedule to fight the feared Antonio Margarito....on June 9..but el temible Margarita PULLED OUT of that fight to fight his former sparring PARTNER...

Cotto will make Williams take a knee like Hatton did JL CASTILLO..

 

exactly. i'm starting to wonder how many people actually watched this fight sober. one thing's for sure, williams is durable as hell. at least he was as of 7/14. the guy can take a shot. and he keeps throwing.

i think cotto is massively over-rated at this point. i mean, geeze. he beat the same guy that Baldomir beat. what's he really proven? if he beats Mosley it'll be a step for sure, but as of now, he's doesn't deserve half the acclaim he gets.

 

So why are you on Margoritos nutsack. Cotto has accomplished alot more then Margarito.

 

Cotto's beat an assortment of solid guys (but no elites) and some prospects.

Most of them came at 140, but in terms of overall resume, Margarito is no better.

 

well, i guess a couple of reasons:

1. i tend to defend fighters who i think are underrated, or whose skills i think are under-estimated.

2. i like margarito's style - i like the fact that he can throw on the move and that his combinations are very improvisational.

3. i think he's a more accurate puncher than he's given credit for and that he figures his opponents out and it goes unnoticed

4. i "do" think he's been avoided by the big names - i don't think arguments like, "what has he done to earn a shot," undoes the fact that he'd been a titlist for years nor does it justify the fact that not one single elite fighter has been willing to fight him

And you might be right that Cotto has accomplished more than Margarito, but certainly not at 147, which is where he is fighting currently. In my mind, he has one impressive win at 147 - Quintana. And that's not saying much.

 

Williams would destroy Zab. Horrible matchup for Zab.

Zab could get to Margarito similar to how Clottey did. Could be an interesting fight.

 

What cotto did to Zab was impressive. The Margarito fight with Santos was horrible and Clottey made Margarito look very average and hittable. Margarito is slow fisted as well as slow-feet. I constantly hear about his power yet he never seems to show it. Margarito's best win is Cintron and that is enough said.

 

Cotto was willing. He had agreed to fight Margarito.

It was Margarito that pulled out of that fight. He got around the same amount of money that he would've gotten against Cotto.

There were reports that Margarito was unhappy with the deal that Arum offered him if he took the Cotto fight. Although Arum was mad and threatened to sue, Tony re-signed with Top Rank anyway. I think he also said he didn't want to get stripped of his belt.

If he had fought Cotto and won, with a big Mexican/Puerto Rican promotion and event on the Puerto Rican holiday, it would've gone a long way in helping his marketing value and done more for him than that WBO trinket has done. Which is basically have Top Rank overlook him for more marketable guys and just say "Margarito is the guy that everyone is scared of" rather than simply doing a better job of promoting him.

 

Cotto has had 4 fights at 147 one of them being impressive in your opinion...in November allah willing he will have another impressive victory..that will be 2....

2 impressive victories by Cotto at 147...in 5 fights.....the same total amount of impressive victories that Margarito has had in 30+ fight at 147...2 Cintron..and if you count the Clottey fight(not impressive IMO, but i'll give you that)

:clap:

 

Clottey managed to look half-way decent against Margarito by spurt fighting and holding. Same goes for Santos.

And Margarito doesn't have the fastest hands. There's no denying that. But he has good timing. If he's so slow, how the hell did he tag Williams so often? Or Clottey for that matter? He times guys. And he does it well.

Cintron had his melt-down because he had no idea what he was in against. He could deal with a 1-2 guy like Estrada, with a basic ryhthm and gets set to punch, but he was dumb-founded against Margarito. and it's why he quit.

you think Cotto wouldn't have a tough fight with Santos or Clottey? what do you expect? An Adrian Stone blow-out? Sorry. doesn't happen when you fight real contenders.

 

Margarito has been at 147 for virtually his whole career. His biggest wins are Diaz, 6 heads, Clottey. Cotto at 147 has beat Judah, Quintana and Urkal. At 147 Cotto has beat better fighters IMO.

 

we'll see. if he blasts through Mosley like i think he thinks he can, i'll be impressed. but he's yet to deal with a height deficit, save for the Pinto fight - and Pinto can't take a punch for shit.

Mosley's a real welter-weight, i'll give you that. but he's no Forrest, Margarito or Cintron. let's see Cotto deal with one of those guys.

 

Great post :bears:

 

you forgot Cintron, who at least half of fans picked to beat him. Judah's an easy fight for anyone @147 who can take a punch. plus, he's now a trained loser. Quintana is Cotto's one and only impressive win at 147 imo.

 

i don't know the details, but one theory is that Margarito was thinking he could get a better cut at the table with Cotto if he beat Williams first.

also, ask yourself this: what does Arum stand to gain by having Margarito and Cotto fight each other?

i think Arum backed Tony into a corner, made it seem like it was his (Tony's) bad decision to take on Williams, and now Cotto gets a guy who's not gonna tear his ass apart.

Only thing is, I think Arum probably expected Margarito to KO Williams, which if you saw the shots he was landing in rounds 8-11 seemed like a distinct possibility for a while. Williams has a damn good chin. for sure. and good stamina too.

 

:dunno: So Cotto can't just win a decision against Mosley..he has to do what NOBODY has done an BLAST through him?? :::dunno:

Margarito,Cintron,Forrest...one had his shot at Cotto but decided to turn elsewhere....the fight against Kermit is still possible...Forrest is at 154 now...

 

My bad how could i forget the UFC exposer Cintron :bears:

 

Margarito was so hungry for that big superfight against an ELITE fighter..but then when his time came THE MONEY/contract wasn't good enough....

 

That is complete bullshit.

You gonna tell me that you would favor either williams or margarito over cotto?

If so.:laughing: