DUMBASS Matchmaking...

Inspired by Cintron-Margarita II...

So Cintron & his Peeps WELCOMED a RE w/the Guy that Took his BEST Shots w/Out Flinching AND Made him Quit the 1st Time...N the End, MINUS the Quit Job, it was Basically the SAME FIGHT All Over Again...

Cintron had an "Injured" Hand which Prevented him from Facing Paul Williams, who Ended Up LOSING to Carlos Quintana...Instead, Cintron Risked his REACQUIRED Status (& TITLE) Against Margarita...

Granted, it's ADMIRABLE that Cintron WANTED to Revisit the Only Guy to Put a BLEMISH on his Record, but how SMART was it from a MATCHMAKING Standpoint???:dunno: ...

Now, Cintron is BeltLESS & will Probably have to Move Up N Weight & Face even BIGGER Guys to Try to Reestablish Himself...

The MOMENT REED Heard that Cintron WANTED a RE w/Margarita, REED Thought it was a PISS POOR Example of Matchmaking...But Considering how HARD Cintron Takes LOSSES, REED Doubts he'll EVER B a Highly Ranked Fighter Again...Kerm is DONE, Boys & Girls...& the Guys who were Making Money Off of him Will have to SEARCH for Other Options....

What Other Examples Spring to Mind????...Think of Other Instances where U Wondered "WHY is this Guy Taking THAT Fight" & then it Played Out EXACTLY as U Thought it Would, 2 the DETRIMENT of the Fighters Career???...


REED

 

Great thread and great example. The sad part about Cintron is that he did have options and if he stayed away from Margarito, no one would have blamed him.

Shane Mosley vs Winky Wright 2 is one I can think of.

 

I actually respect Cintron for trying to avenge his loss to Margarita. At least he can take away that he did much better in this fight then in their first fight.

From a matchmaking standpoint. Why not make the fight? Margarita is 3 years older and 3 years more battle tested. This is a guy who started fighting at 15. You only have so many wars in you. Plus he had just lost to Williams a year earlier, and Cintron's people figured this was probably their best time to make this happen. Thats boxing. You have to take chances over and over and sometimes you lose.

 

The Thing is, there was NATHAN about the 1st Fight that Suggested Cintron Could BEAT Margarita...

It's NOT Like he BARELY LOST the 1st Fight or HURT Margarita @ Any Point the 1st Time...

Fact is, Cintron LANDED his Best Shots N the 1st Fight, Margarita NEVER Flinched, then Responded...& Cintron COULDN'T Handle the Response...

N EITHER Fight...

Besides that, Based on the Bouts Cintron Had SINCE Losing to Margarita, he Exhibited NATHAN that would Lead Anybody (Other than Himself & his Braintrust, Apparently) to Believe he Could REVERSE the Margarita Outcome...

Hmmmmm????....U LOSE to Margarita, STRUGGLE w/David Estrada, STRUGGLE w/Jesse Feliciano, then U Wanna IMMEDIATELY Face Margarita Again???...

& Sorry, Sandwiching N Walter Mathyyyyyse ISN'T Sufficient Preparation Either:nono: ...


REED

 

rahman rematching lewis comes to mind.

he didn't have to have the re straight away. However, he got seduced by King and then blasted out by lewis.

If I was him, I would have made a few easy defenses, pile up some cash, and let lewis get a bit older and more frustrated, and then go for it.

 

Cintron is a talentless powerful boxer. He's not accurate, he doesn't have good feet movement, he can't combine 4 punches, he can't take it to the chin, don't have a decent body attack....only thing he got, power, took it this far and that's the farthest he'll get. As REED said, I never saw any improvement since the margarito loss, and having steward in his corner is NOT an improvement. I was expecting the same result last night as in their first fight.

 

Indeed. I don't know what cintron or his management were on. Some good weed though.

I can't complain, I made a nce sum of money on Cintrons idiocy.

The guy seems like a clear idiot.

Love to see him vs Cotto though.

 

Lewis actually took Rahman to court and forced the rematch.

 

I agree. As much as I dislike marge and would love to have seen cotto starch him, from the first fight you just KNEW cintron the frog had no chance.

It was just one of those fights. Not only did he not put a dent in marge, but he just folded as soon as marge stepped it up.

Even Steward must have known his chances were more or less nil.

 

actually i remember something like this now.

 

Rahman wanted to fight David Izon, in China instead of rematching Lewis ::

 

Meldrick Taylor's team putting him in there with Terry Norris.

Diego Corrales's team putting him in there with Joshua Clottey.

 

in the post fight interview larry asked rahman, "of all the gamblers here, in this town, you took the biggest gamble of all in taking this fight. do you regret it?" then rahman said might make more than lewis when they add everything up. thats why i thought he took the fight on his own i guess but i do remember lewis bringing him to court. larry was talking shit as usual

 

More to do with Cintron's pride just wanting to erase his only loss!! Pride came into the factor,more than Cintron & his team actually believing he had a chance to win

Now Cotto-Gomez,that was nothing but dumbass matchmaking!! That fight was over,two weeks before it was even signed:doh:

 

I don't dispute that it was a bad matchmaking, but Cintron and his people wanted another try at his only loss and figured now might be the best time. Reed, you know as well as I do that fighters have all kinds of excuses that they end believing themselves as to why they loss a certain fight or underperformed. In Cintron's mind he probably figured this was his first big fight on the main stage and he got crushed under the pressure. In fact I'm willing to bet that was what he and his people believed. Cintron didn't look good against his other opponents either, but they probably figured he'd mature mentally enough with somemore time to be able to compete again with Margarita. Maybe even beat him seeing that Antonio has only become older not better. Winning a belt certainly helped his confidence I suppose.

Cintron is and always was a scrub so I'm glad he lost, but I'll give him credit for a rematch that really didn't need to take place.

 

Trinidad-Hopkins comes to mind.

 

:: true

 

Trinidad - Vargas
Mosley - Wright
Wladimir K. - Calvin Brock
Roy Jones - Tarver II

 

I agree with most of those...not so much about Jones v Tarver II. That was a big fight and most fans were calling for it.

 

Don't forget about Trinidad-Jones

 

:dunno:

 

It was bad from a competitive/likelihood of winning standpoint.

Trinidad seems to be just looking for the big paydays now, so I guess from his team's standpoint, it was a good choice.

Tito got like $15 million for that.

 

because, to me....Jones beat Tarver in their first fight. He didn't had to rematch him right away. Hell, you can say the first one was a bad matchup since Jones had to move down from HW to fight an unheralded contender in Tarver.

 

I never really understood why Ricardo Mayorga-Cory Spinks was made.

Granted, it was a unification and an easy fight for King to make, but Mayorga didn't really need Spinks' belt. He had two consecutive wins over Forrest and therefore "the man" at wetlerweight and already had a fight with Mosley in the works.

 

unification

perceived to be an easy win for Mayorga

:notallthere:

 

Mosley vs. Mayorga (pre-Tito) would've been a war

 

I know it was a unification, but Spinks had no real fan base or following at that point. The IBF was a discounted belt at the time.

It was only really perceived to be easy by those who hadn't seen much, or any, of Spinks, IMO.

Mayorga was already seen as the welterweight champion by many, or at least as the #1 welterweight by virtue of his wins over Forrest...he didn't need the IBF belt.

It wasn't some main event, or a fight that was even that big of a deal at the time...it was put on the undercard of a DK pay per view that wasn't going to draw a big audience regardless of which belts were on the line in that fight.

IMO, it was a completely unnecessary risk at the time when Mayorga was on the verge of a much bigger fight.

 

:nono: Pre-Spinks. Corey ruined Mayorga, not Trinidad.

 

:: right, I forgot Spinks pillow-fisted mayorga to death

 

any fight where a guy lost was bad matchmaking on his part