Felix Trinidad wants Kelly Pavlik fight @165

:doh:Why can't the fucker just stay retired!


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Arum probably likes the sound of that.

If he wants to take the slow road with Cotto, or at least take his time, he could have him fight a real soft-touch in a set-up fight on the undercard of this at MSG before the parade.

 

it would be an interesting fight. Trinidad can still box as we saw - by most accounts he won the first 3-4 rounds against RJJ by out-boxing him until he got hurt.

It'd be an entertaining fight too because neither guy is a stinker like PBF or Hopkins. Instead, we'd see some fine classic boxing on display.

And you know Tito would land that left hook at least once. Without his wraps who knows what it will do but it's still pretty to watch.

In fact, I find Trinidad to be a very stylish boxer, especially now that he's playing by the rules and isn't banging guys out of there in the first half of the fight. He has a unique style and physique that makes for a pleasant style of boxing.

And Pavlik's approach isn't unlike Trinidad, although I dare say Trinidad is probably the more versatile fighter as he's shown he can fight going backwards and forwards. It remains to be seen how effective Pavlik can be if forced to fight moving backwards. This of course wouldn't be the match-up to find the results of that test.

Either way I can't imagine Trinidad winning this fight unless Pavlik doesn't train at all.

 

Trinidad probably just saw all the hoopla that went with Margarito and the hand wraps and just figures he can do it better.

 

I like this fight......artie:artie: but come on Trinidad should try to make it to 160...win the fight and RETIRE the MIDDLEWEIGHT CHAMPION OF THE WORLD>...:bears: that would be awesome.....OR GET KTFO and for ever retire...

 

:doh:::

 

REED isn't Sure that Tito can WIN, but it's a Smart Move if he's Gonna Continue Fighting...& From the Pavlik Side, he NEEDS a "Name" to Try to Restore Some of what was Loss vs. Bernard...

Pavlik Seems to LOSE Something when he Hovers ABOVE 160, so it Makes SENSE for Tito to Fight him There...


REED:hammert:

 

Pavlik wins by KhTFO in 2.

 

IMO Pavlik already learned his lesson of moving up in weight to fight an old legend, supposedly faded fighter and easy victim on theory. He will probably reply "come down to 160 lbs division and I will gladly fight you."

Tito is just hurting his record with these 'comebacks'. He wasn't won a fight in years, since 2004 against Mayorga. He cannot be comparing himself with other older fighters like Hopkins & Mosley because they have been active all the time and he has not.

 

Very well said. He needs to keep is ass retired! Nobody will take this comeback seriously except for CUPEY.:doh:

 

Tito needs a warm up fight first to get some fo the rust out.

He may be washed up, but he can still punch and will be in condition.

I think it will be a barnburner for as long as it lasts until Kelly puts him on ice, but he can hurt Pavlik if he nails him.

BTW: I just don't like the way Kelly leans in trying to sink that right hand home sometimes.

 

Stylistically.....Pavlik is perfect for Felix.

But Felix is old and inactive.

 

TITO is old but Kelly stinks...Jesus get over the Ohio Hype already if it was the Tito that fought Joppy it's Trinidad in jail for fucking Murder.:doh:

 

Didn't Pavlik fight Taylor at 168 in the rematch? And win that fight pretty decisively? I think too much stock is being put in the weight Pavlik fights at. I think he had bronchitis, tendonitis, and was fighting the dirtiest fighter in the game. The idea that it was due to the catch weight is overstated in my opinion. Pavlik is a huge guy. It should come as no surprise that he couldn't knock Hopkins out. Not only is Hopkins a dirty fighter, but he has one of the best chins in the game.

I think Pavlik can and will carry his power up in weight. He just needs to not fight Bernard Hopkins who breaks every rule in the book and has a granite chin.

 

I dont agree with that,.. all back twisting, back-peddling excessive clinching felons, all seem to have 'great chins' ....that's only because they rarely ever get hit in the head flush, ... thier chins are relatively unproven,.. I've seen Hopkins hurt BAD, real bad against Mercado (which dawned the transitional metamorphisis of a more defensive stinking style more or less),...Rock Allen made Hopkins dive out of the ring after busting him up a bit, he's been sent reeling against Taylor and even soft slapping Calzaghe stunned and bitched Hopkins up... he ducks, turns, runs, smothers, and holds, his way through solid punches to his head.

 

Ok. Good point. And we all know the Trinidad he fought was not the same Trinidad that violently smashed Joppy into submission.

Nontheless, I think the idea that Pavlik lost to Hopkins because the fight took place at 170 is comical. My guess is Pavlik would prefer to fight at 168 if he didn't have all the belts he does at 160. And the names at 168 are even more scarce than they are at 160.

Actually, it just occurred to me: an excellent fight that could be made would be Pavlik vs. Andrade. That match-up has fight of the year written all over it. BTW, Pavlik would crush Bute. I'm not sure about Froch because I've never seen him fight. And I think he'd knock Allen Green out too. I don't think I even need to mention Jeff Lacy.

But back to my point. Pavlik lost to Hopkins for a variety of reasons, the least of which is that the fight took place at 170. That's ridiculous.

Everyone wants to point to the fight having been made at 170. Nobody wants to talk about the fact that Pavlik was sick and had tendonitis, not to mention that Hopkins is a dirty fighter with a lot of experience.

You can say that Pavlik didn't mix his punches up enough or cut off the ring very well. Well guess what. These are all symptoms of a sick fighter with tendonitis.

For example, did you see Pavlik throw even one lead upper-cut like he does when his opponent gives him angles or backs up? Did you see him go to the body? Did you see him do anything except throw a single, not a double, jab and a weak right hand? No! How in the hell does that have anything to do with the fight being at 170?

People just want to gloss over Pavlik's condition that night because they like the story of the grizzled veteran giving the "over-hyped" young lion a lesson. It makes for a nice headline and certainly Hopkins fans are in favor of it.

I prefer to err on the side of reality with the headline: "Middleweight Campion Kelly "The Punisher" Pavlik has bronchitis and tendonitis against his biggest challenge and gives a poor account of himself as a result."

"I didn't want to cancel the fight; so many fans of mine from Youngstown had made the trip to NYC; I couldn't do that do them no matter how crappy I felt."

 

Of course you do, because you like Pavlik.

Truth is, Pavlik's loss had little to do with whatever sickness he claimed to have.

 

Well.. Pavlik is an absolute brutal monster to stand directly infront of and trade with, even despite his relatively slow handspeed,... Kelly thus fights in a way that is most effective steaming forwards like a train, fully utilizing his strengths to the maximum,.. the thing about a train though is that it cannot turn too sharply,... Kelly's footwork, and the way he throws his punches, is designed for a target directly infront of him only, and Hopkins took advantage of that, Pavlik could never begin to fight or establish any kind've rhythm because he simply could never 'get set', he was rendered virtually useless by a spiralling target zipping in and out and clinching, and butting etc.

Agreed on a fight with Andrade, that would be savage,... :crafty: must disagree on the Bronchitus and Tendonitis though,... I fucken hate Hopkins as much as anyone in the WORLD, but the bitch fighter knows every subtle trick and felon to 'keep away' from danger, it wouldn't have mattered if Pavlik had been healthy or not, in my opinion.

 

Pavlik has no defense. A 52 year old Trinidad might actually spark him.

 

"Truth." How the fuck do you know what the "truth" is? You're a fucking idiot. Don't try to tell me what the "truth" is. You don't know shit about, "truth."

 

What fighter isn't troubled by his opponent's movement? Pavlik does his best work moving forward, but like I said, he has tricks up his sleeve for opponents that give him angles. His lead upper-cut for example. Or did you see the right hand he landed as Rubio stepped to Pavlik's side.

Let me ask you this. What did Taylor do that Pavlik couldn't (had he been healthy) to nullify or cope with Hopkins' chaotic movement?

I'll tell you what copes with chaotic movement - cutting off the ring and throwing your jab. These are two things that require concentration and timing. Two things that are significantly compromised not only by bronchitis, but tendonitis as well.

And don't get me wrong. I'm not making the claim that a healthy Pavlik beats Hopkins. I'm not sure he has the hand-speed. But 170 had nothing to do with his losing. And I'm sick of hearing people say it.

In the final analysis, you can't argue that Pavlik, by going through with the fight, despite his condition, did not give himself his best chance to win. Nobody in their right mind could or would dispute that.

 

As for Tito verses Pavlik,... .. Kelly will absolutely crush his arse, it wont be competitive in the slightest, provided Trinidad has legal wraps ofcourse.

 

Well Taylor has blazing handspeed,.. and he's a good counterpuncher, much quicker at executing,... those two things are crucial in combating chaotic movement,.. Taylor's tactics were also brilliant,.. he didnt chase Hopkins around the ring,.. he moved towards Hopkins until he was 'just out of the fringe of reach' and fought from that strict subtle distance in and out, which cancelled all Hopkins disgusting stink-trap tactics..it was beautiful... he also...I noticed.. didn't attempt to wildly aim at Hopkins head from a conventional stance.. he, while feigning to apply a surge of pressure, timed the head of Hopkins, when bent over transferring it to a place below belt level (which is illegal ofcourse), and he nailed him on the spot a few times,..which did register (my signature for example). Cutting off the ring doesnt work against Hopkins, he's extremely happy for you to come directly at him to the corner, he'll duck right down and LAUNCH up a hail mary potshot or a headbutt, that BOTH turn into a clinch upon completion,.. Stylistically, I dont think Pavlik can beat Hopkins,...

 

Unless you're ready to bring some facts about how Pavlik being sick had everything to do with losing to Hopkins then shut up Col. Jessep. Hopkins is just a much better fighter, more clever, skilled and adaptable. That's why he beat Pavlik down. That's the "truth" now deal with it.

 

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What's next? He's a fluid, adaptable fighter as well?

 

Very well said!

 

Against some styles yes,..................... this may be a bit of a wild accusation but,... ..are you attempting to ridicule my various opinions because................I dont like your favourite fighter?... :: ..... can you imagine if peoples ill will towards Taylor inserted angry turmoil inside my skull post by post?... He's hated by 95% of the fightbeat populous,.. I should've sprayed bullets into a crowded marketplace by now.

 

Nah Kauki, I ridicule them because they're fucking ridiculous. Taylor doesn't have blazing handspeed and most def he's not a very good counterpuncher. And fuck he's not fluid.

 

Kelly Pavlik is chinny, and open for a sharp puncher like Trinidad, too bad Trinidad is 68 years old.

The 2001 version of Trinidad lays out Pavlik in 7 rounds tops.