Fernando Vargas vs John Mugabi @ 154

Who wins and why?

 

Mugabi hits too damn hard

 

People talk about Ibeabuchi and McClellan but it's John Mugabi that's the most overrated fighter on this forum. Fuck!

Vargas knocks him out.

 

crackin fight as the Brits like to say.

 

I already explained the misreading of Mugabi to Sly, but still he persists:

http://www.fightbeat.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39050&highlight=Mugabi

 

Incidentally, there is no way in hell Vargas takes Mugabi's punch and sees the final bell... none... He was a fine boxer, he could even be ahead on the cards, but hes getting knocked out

 

Replace Terry Norris' name with Vargas in this post and had they never fought ...this would have made sense also.

Vargas got up from an early shellacking by Trinidad and came back to knock him down and even up the fight. Trinidad hit as hard as Mugabi did and was MILES better.

 

Mugabi in his prime would have knocked the shit out of Terry Norris, as was made pretty clear in the link

Vargas was knocked down 5 times by Trinidad and knocked out... he would also be absolutely knocked out by John Mugabi

I mean, if you want to go the comparison route... Mugabi took a pounding form Marvin Hagler for damn near 11 rounds... Trinidad would have been KOd earlier than that and so would Vargas had they been in Mugabi's place

 

That was against an older and slower Hagler. I fancy a prime Trinidad to survive that version of Hagler also AND be very competitive. It wasn't too Mugabi's CREDIT that he survived that long against Marvin (who was never a one punch KO artist to begin with) but to Hagler's DETRIMENT that he let a bum, from a lighter division, with a punch last that long!

 

Mugabi was not a bum at that point in time

Just because oyu refuse to learn anything about the subject doesn't make your passionate, ignorant assertions correct

Trinidad surviving against Hagler??? Hagler would have annihlated Trinidad... Mugabi knocks out Felix Trinidad at 160 as sure as you are at least a foot high

 

No Chance. Mugabi may drop Tito, but Trinidad does him in!

Prime Hagler would have annihilated Trinidad but not the 1986 version.

 

Trinidad lost 11 rounds to Bernard Hopkins and 12 to Winky Wright (who wasnt really a middleweight) at 160, and he knocked out Hasine Charifi and William Joppy... that is his 160 resume ...

1986 Marvin Hagler beats him up

 

styles...

 

Vargas beats Mugabi

 

yes, Trinidad's "style" would work great against the southpaw from hell with a vicious jab:notallthere:

 

Mugabi UD

 

Hagler was naturally more agressive than both Wright and Hopkins. I see Tito's power and agression convincing Hagler to make it a brawl, and when Hagler's is war mode he tends to square up or in fact fight orthodox. He wouldn't fight Tito the way Winky fought him. No way. And at 35 or whatever the hell age he was against Mugabi, Hagler would be slower and less powerful than usual. Mugabi wasn't as durable as Tito (and old Jones would have decapitated Mugabi in just 3 rounds at 175lbs for example) and wernt 11 rounds with Hagler. ito would survive the distance no doubt in my mind...and give Marvin some TROUBLE along the way too.

 

Trinidad either gets outboxed and stopped or he gets convincingly outbrawled and stopped... no other way out... Trinidad could not hurt him, not a chance in hell... he could ahve hit twice as hard as he did and he still isn't hurting Marvin Hagler

 

Well it's near impossible to hurt Hagler, but Tito had enough power to keep Marvin "honest", so to speak. Especially to the body. Where you and I disagree is that I don't think marvin walks through him as though he wasn't there. Tito's ambidextrous accurate offense would give Marvin enough "pause" during the fight to enable Tito to last the distance and win a few rounds in the meantime.

 

I dont see any way in which Trinidad lasts the distance... none... he gets stopped

 

How long do you think Mugabi would last with the Hopkins that fought Trinidad?

Tito is more durable than Mugabi. Norris wouldn't have knocked out any version of Trinidad in 1 round. Mugabi was a BUM!

 

Muagbi goes the distance and loses a decision against Hopkins... a clear cut decision by a lot, but a decision nonetheless

Hopkins did not hit as hard as Marvin Hagler did

Trinidad even now is not as shot as Mugabi was when he fought Terry Norris

 

Nonsense. He's only labelled as "shot" to excuse that embarrassing defeat. He wason a similar undefeated KO streak going into that fight as he was leading up to the Hagler fight. Plus he was still only 30 or so at the time. How can you suggest that he suddenly became shot on fight night?

 

why do you consistently avoid the obvious thrashing your "reasoning" was given in the the previous thread that I linked earlier?

you cant just keep repeating the same tired, false nonsense about Mugabi and act like that repetition makes it true

 

I'll check the thread you linked (my bad) and see whether you've made a strong case in this regard..

 

If Tito forced the issue and made a brawl of it he just gets stopped quicker. Probably within 8. If not he loses just about every round and probably gets stopped over 15 anyway.

 

Against PRIME Hagler, sure. I'm talking about the 1986 version who made a smaller Mugabi look more formidable than he really was...

 

Yes, Hagler made Mugabi look formidable by thrashing him in one sided fashion in 10 and a half rounds... WTF?

Mugabi was formidable at that time (again check the link)

 

Fair distinction - he had definitely slowed down a step by then.

 

but not enough to give Trinidad a snowball's chance in hell against him