Fightbeat top 20 p4p of all time.

Inspired by Sly's fighters of the decade thread......

I don't think this has ever been done on this forum, could be very interesting. Please take a little time over this and post your top 20 p4p fighters since 1940 (yes the thread title is a lie). Once we have a good number of lists I'll go through them and add them up giving 1 point for 20th position, 20 points for 1st and so on and collate the overall fightbeat top 30 or so.

Why since 1940? Firstly, because I think most would agree that boxing had matured into something very closely resembling what we see today by then, so it allows this to be about the FIGHTERS rather than degenerating into the age old argument about how good boxing was in 1906. Secondly, I don't think our collective knowledge of the Old Timers is deep enough for us to have useful opinions. Some guys know enough, many of us don't and that will skewer the results enough to make them meaningless.

So have at it. Please don't be criticizing other people's lists until you've posted your own!
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01) Ray Robinson
02) Ezzard Charles
03) Roberto Duran
04) Muhammad Ali
05) Ray Leonard
06) Willie Pep
07) Joe Louis
08) Sandy Saddler
09) Eder Jofre
10) Archie Moore
11) Carlos Monzon
12) Pernel Whitaker
13) Marvin Hagler
14) Michael Spinks
15) Tommy Hearns
16) Roy Jones Jr
17) Bernard Hopkins
18) Alexis Arguello
19) Julio Cesar Chavez
20) Fighting Harada

Floyd and Manny might fit in there somewhere, but seems sensible to wait and see how they finish their career.

 

Whether we want to admit it or not, all else being equal, the more contemporary a fighter is, the more we know about his ability.

 

Of course, but surely you've read enough and seen enough to be able to put the newer guys in some sort of context?

 

1. Muhammad Ali
2. Ray Robinson
3. Roy Jones Jnr
4. Joe Louis
5. Floyd Mayweather Jnr
6. Henry Armstrong
7. Roberto Duran
8. Manny Pacquiao
9. Sugar Ray Leonard
10.Bernard Hopkins
11.Marvin Hagler
12.Thomas Hearns
13.Pernell Whitaker
14.Julio Cesar Chavez
15.Joe Calzaghe (most underrated fighter on the list)
16.Carlos Monzon
17.Ricardo Lopez
18.Willie Pep
19.Evander "The Real Deal" Holyfield
20.Aaron Pryor

 

OK, cheers Sly.:crafty: I'll refrain from comment right now....I didn't include Hank since I considered him a fighter of the 30s. If I had he would have been number 2.

 

Ah..my bad.

My list will not be popular...too many relatively contemporary fighters are ranked highly. ::

I happen to think that fighters are getting better, not worse. :kidcool:

 

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Where's Lennox Lewis? Pryor? Your list is shit. :laughing:

 

Difficult to imagine how thats possible since the talent pool is about 1/10th as deep and fighters fight about 1/6th as often, but let's refrain from delving into that particular discussion until a healthy number of people have contributed their lists. FWIW, I judged fighters based on their own eras without trying to weight which eras were better or worse too much.

 

What does it say in the OP, LL? Post your own, or shut the fuck up.

 

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Here are the top 4:

Jose Luis Castillo
Vernon Forrest
Librado Andrade
Antonio Margarito

 

You forgot Julio Gonzalez !!!

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these are easier to criticize than to compile, but Duran doesn't belong ahead of Leonard and Holyfield shouldn't be on the list.

 

What does the OP say dude? Post your list or SHUSH. I'll happily debate my list with you when you post yours.

 

Here's my working list...

1. Pacquiao
2. Duran
3. Robinson
4. Tyson
5. Sanchez
6. Hagler
7. Chavez
8. Hearns
9. RJJ
10. Arguello
11. Charles
12. Hopkins
13. Olivares
14. Ali
15. Jofre
16. Wright
17. R. Lopez
18. Leonard
19. ODH
20. Mosley

 

Like I'm going to read a full post of yours. :: (mY bad, btw)

1. Leonard
2. RJJ
3. Chavez
4. SRR
5. Floyd
6. Ricardo Lopez
7. Lewis
8. Calzaghe
9. Whitaker
10. Pacquiao*
11. Ali
12. Pryor
13. Arguello
14. Hagler
15. Holmes
16. Monzon
17. Hearns
18. Duran
19. V. Klitschko
20. T. Norris

 

Is that Terry Norris? Or Orlin?

 

Bloody hell these are some demented lists, people.....Terry Norris? Mike Tyson at number 4? Mayweather above Duran and Leonard? cdogg, broadway joe, Ramonza, sane people? Are you out there?

 

You looking for old timer bias people or something?

 

Not bias, people with some sense of context. Ranking a guy whos best wins are a shot DLH, Hatton & Diego Corrales over a guy with wins over Duran, Hearns, Benitez & Hagler for instance? A wild, wild lack of context in that. Ranking a guy who's best wins are over an outsized Light heavyweight and a 38 y/o Larry Holmes as the 4th greatest p4p fighter of the last 70 years? Ditto. Ranking Terry Norris top 20 in a list that doesn't include Pep, saddler, Jofre or even Ray Robinson? Vitali Klitscko! Who's finest moment is outlasting a past prime Corrie Sanders? H Christ, people.

 

Like I said before, i didn't read your post very closely. I thought we were only supposed to go back 40 years, not to 1940. There's really no point in including those years because there is very little footage. You might as well go back to 1833.

Terry Norris was a p4p guy even after losing multiple times because his talent was top notch. I haven't seen enough Pep, Saddler or Jofre to rank them. I would have included Robinson if I had gone back to 1940. I didn't.

 

1.Sugar ray Robinson
2.Roberto Duran
3.Sugar Ray Leonard
4.Willie pep
5.Julio Cesar Chavez
6.Pernell Whitaker
7.Roy Jones Jr.
8.Tommy Hearns
9.Salvador sanchez
10.Alexis Arguello
11.Ricardo Lopez
12.Pacman
13.Mayweather
14.Hopkins
15.Hagler




There are people I'm missing and such...and can't finish a top 20 but there ya go...

 

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Roberto Duran
3. Muhammad Ali
4. Sugar Ray Leonard
5. Joe Louis
6. Pernell Whitaker
7. Julio Cesar Chavez
8. Eder Jofre
9. Willie Pep
10. Marvin Hagler
11. Carlos Monzon
12. Manny Pacquiao
13. Ruben Olivares
14. Alexis Arguello
15. Bernard Hopkins
16. Thomas Hearns
17. Jose Napoles
18. Roy Jones
19. Floyd Mayweather
20. Larry Holmes

 

Here's a half assed list. I did not include any heavyweights. Also i didn't put a whole lot of thought into the order. I moved a couple of names around and just gave up.

Robinson
Armstrong
Duran
Leonard
Pacquiao
Pep
Whitaker
Chavez
Jones Jr
Arguello
Moore
Monzon
Hopkins
Charles
Hagler
Mayweather
Sanchez
Hearns
Spinks
De La Hoya

 

Fcuk...I forgot charles...but I didn't include any heavies either but...Charles fought in other classes so I guess that works.

 

Im not gonna count them until there are enough to make it worth while so feel free to amend them as much as you want.

 

That means put Leonard ahead of Duran all of you biased haters.

 

Not gonna do it...hahaha

 

Or wrack your brain for less awful picks than Terry Norris & Vitali Klitschko