Fights in which fighters weaknesses were exposed

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  1. BOSS

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    What I'm saying is that a strategy was implemented or maybe a chin was exposed or maybe you found out the guy can't take it to the body or gets frustrated easliy and son on..For example
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    Roy's chin was exposed against Tarver
    You could say Holyfield showed that if you out bully Tyson you can beat him
    Grant's chin was exposed against Galata
    Don't remember who showed that Tua can't handle a jab
     
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    galata's weakness was exposed in the Lennox fight. Blitzkrieg attack and he's done for. It was implemented ever since
     
  3. Mitchell Kane

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    Lewis also exposed Golota's weakness for lidocaine injections.
     
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    TBH, I really, really hate the term 'exposed'. It's usually used to make defeats more definitively meaningful than they really are and fosters a climate of matchmaking fear throughout the sport. Great fighters lose sometimes, the only thing it usually exposes is that they're human.

    However, there are exceptions where fights do reveal a key chank/limitation or let some blood into the water....

    The limitations of Hamed under Suarez were exposed against Augie Sanchez, IMO.
    De la Hoya exposed Tito's vulnerability to a guy who can fight in and out & move off
    Judah's lack of chin was exposed against Tszyu
    Prescot did the same against Khan
    Hopkins exposed Pavlik's weakness to intelligent use of angles
    Dirrel exposed the limitations of Abraham's low out put caused by his ear muff defensive style
     
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    Calzhage exposed Kesslers weakness for movement and speed.
     
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    Sonny Banks was the first fighter to show Muhammad Ali's vulnerability to the left hook.

    Samson Pouha showed that Andrew Golota is a headcase who will blatantly foul when he doesn't like what's going on.
     
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  8. Mitchell Kane

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    I think you could almost point to the Bowe-Golota fights as ones where Bowe's 'strength' was exposed a bit. He had a reputation as one of the best jabbers in the division, but that reputation was built in large part on heavywights smaller than himself, and when faced with a heavyweight of similar size and strength (well, actually stronger), he had a lot of trouble.

    Even granting Bowe the alibi's of weight (the excess weight he had in the first fight, the manner in which he lost it for the second fight), he had trouble with the jab early on.

    Bowe's style was one that was almost built to beat smaller fighters...the over the top right hand, the infighting.

    I think Michael Grant was a similar case...you put him in with smaller fighters, less developed skill-wise than Golota and Lewis, and you'd get pretty far with him....and they did...and together, they were 3-0 against Golota, so they did, technically, all pass their Golota tests...but Bowe's career was basically ended by Golota (who put the finishing touches on what Holyfield and Bowe's own eating/training habits had done), and Lewis went on to finish what Golota started in his next fight.
     
  9. Ramonza Soliloquies

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    Everyone who had one of note, as well as everyone who had a decent one, but stuck to using it consistently.
     
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    Not sure he ever found one he liked as much as the one Rahman introduced him to in their first fight.

    But then, Tua exposed Rahman's vulnerability to punches after the bell.
     
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    The fact that a lowly figure like Rahman did so amazingly well in two fights with Tua exposes the Samoan as one of the most limited, "contenders" of the last thirty years. I still cannot believe how much credit Lewis often gets for decisioning him. As poor as Tua always was, he completely froze that night, leaving his best game at the door.
     
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    So a no-game having limited dude took one of the best heavyweight champeens ever the full 12, and even won a round? Come on Ramonza, you are better than that!! Don't let your Rahman hate overrule your better judgment.:nono:
     
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    It was his rib.

    Or ribs....maybe he couldn't stop eating them before the fight.
     
  14. Mitchell Kane

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    I don't know that it's that great of an accomplishment...but in Tua's defense, he fought some pretty good fighters (some of them not well known when he fought them, but who went on to gain notoriety) and went some hard rounds early in his career.

    But that doesn't excuse his ballooning up and sitting on a title shot.
     
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    I know.

    In fairness to Tua, he had wins over future heavyweight champions John Ruiz, Oleg Maskaev, Hasim Rahman
     
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    And Maskaev was probably mostly known for getting blown out in a round on Fox by Oliver McCall...and if you throw in contenders like David Izon(ritei), who wasn't well known at all at the time and coming off a loss Maurice Harris, and Ike Ibeabuchi, who was undefeated at the time, but an almost complete unknown (unless someone caught an appearance on a Heavyweight Explosion card or something)...and you have not only a good number of credible heavyweight fighters, but also some fights that his camp may have thought would be of the 'showcase' vareity that turned into a lot more than that.

    He was active and he was light, but all that was over after the Rahman fight.
     
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    I dont know if there was ever a guy who beat more future champs than Tua :lol:

    The guy was kind of like a reverse-gatekeeper......"Lose to this guy and your future is bright" :lol:
     
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    So Roy Jones Went 15-16 YEARS w/Out EVER Getting Hit on the Chin???...Either U MISSED All of the PRE-Tarver Bouts OR, U're Calling Roy Jones THE GREATEST DEFENSIVE FIGHTER EVER...

    Take your Pick...



    REED:bears:
     
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    Roy wasn't the greatest defensive fighter ever but he was a pretty damn good one! Can you really name some examples of him getting hit flush by proven hard punchers??
     
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    Dela "Exposed" the Fact that Tito had CINDER BLOCKS for Feet & COULDN'T Handle MOBILITY & Superior SPEED...Bernard Hopkins even CREDITED Dela for the "Blueprint" he Used when he Faced Tito...

    Bernard "Exposed" SIMILAR Shortcomings in Kelly Pavlik...




    REED:mj:
     
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    Merqui Sosa was Voted "Hardest Punching Lightheavyweight" by RING Magazine @ the Time that Roy Faced him...Roy Basically Went Toe-to-Toe w/Sosa for 2 Rounds, Getting HIT in the Process...

    Toney Caught him on the Chin a Couple Times...Ruiz Landed FLUSH 2-3 Times as well...



    REED:hammert:
     
  22. Ramonza Soliloquies

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    See, myself, I find that opening sentence misleading. To me, the idea that Tua, "took" Lewis twelve rounds implies he pushed the champion the distance, or Lewis opened up, but could not get Tua out of there. In point of fact, Lewis took one look at Tua's sole, faint shot at victory, & snuffed it out with a pensive display. The way I observed it, it was Lewis who took Tua the distance, fighting cautiously with an eye to a decision, not the other way around.

    I don't hate Rahman --- I have no reason to even dislike the man. Simply, I just find him an extremely limited, & what's more, lazy fighter. With his durability & extreme punch, Tua would've promptly disposed of Rahman had he even a modicum of Boxing nous & enough self-respect to stay in-shape...he had neither, & Rahman embarrassed him for large stretches through not one, but two outings. His greatest claim to fame appears to be a close loss to the inexperienced &, in retrospect, surprisingly over-estimated Ike Ibeabuchi, & a lopsided drubbing to Lewis.

    At most, I find Tua a C- calibre fighter, but that's as generous as I can get. A fighter whose chin & punch were the only reason he could possibly defeat anyone approaching world-class, & who fell flat more often than not anyway. Something of a poor man's Ray Mercer.
     
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    That depends on your definition of, "champion." I can only see Rahman as a legitimate champ, following his KO of Lewis, but Maskaev & Ruiz, to me, were title-holders --- an entirely-different proposition.
     
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    we basically saw that Lemmon was a bitch when Mohawk bum (Zeljin macrovision) basically whuped him even though Mohawk was almost dead at th time..
     
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    Lewis beat the shit out of Mohawk, although Mohawk showed an amazing chin.
     
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    Lewis beat Mavrovic up
     
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    Marquez exposed the fight that Pacquiao doesn't like fighters coming forward behind a consistent jab and throwing sharp counters. Pacman is reduced to a one trick pony in such circumstances.
     
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    To be fair to Maskaev, McCall was an absolutely terrible choice for a 6-0 newbie. McCall had just lost his HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE, and Maskaev's management put him in with the guy in only his 7th pro fight? That was horrible HORRIBLE fucking matchmaking. His matchmaker should have been shot in the head.
     
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    agREED. It's all just in the name of record padding. Another sign of the times. These days fans get to claim that their favorite fighters fought and/or beat so many "champions" when most of them were never, ever the real champion. And then they try to claim that somehow makes them better than fighters from previous times when there were far fewer "title" belts available.
     
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    Did Hearns expose SRL's weakness against tall, powerful and talented boxers?

    Did Sanchez expose Gomez's reckless aggression?

    Did Vitali expose Lewis's weakness against giant heavyweights with great chins who throw as many punches as a middleweight?

    Just examples of how the concept of "exposed" can be misconstrued.
     

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