at 130 it's a close fight but Floyd wins. As they go up in weight Camacho takes more of a beating. People tend to forget how good Camacho was. Camacho's handspeed and movement would cause Floyd some trouble (think Judah) but Camacho couldn't hit hard enough to phase Floyd. Good scrap but at 130 floyd wins a close UD.
Agreed. At 130 & 135 I think Camacho gives Floyd hell. At 140 its all Floyd. Camacho was awesome at 130 though. In fact, I'd probably pick Camacho over everyone in the history of 130 EXCEPT Floyd.
Camacho was an excellent 130 & 135lber. Most people have either forgotten, or choose not to remember. Whatever happened in his later career, he was quite a force at those weights.
How exactly? his one shining moment was against Ramirez what were his other notable victories that make him such a force?
Admittedly, the resume isn't anything spectacular, but I am not one to necessarily preclude someone from praise as a result of that. I wouldn't ever call Camacho an all-timer, in the same way I wouldn't call Mosley an all-timer at Lightweight, but both, IMO, were good enough to get the best of better competition than they actually did. Plenty of boxers fit that description.
The sole difference between Camacho at 130 and Camacho as the famous cowardly roadrunner he became is that he finally fought TOUGH OPPOSITION THAT HIT HIM That's it... hes the SAME GUY with a flaw of character that wasnt revealed early because he was not facing guys who could test him... Mosley's later career PROVES that he was game and tough and had the will to match his talent... Camacho's later career proves what was truly INSIDE the man: a gutless, shucking and jiving front-runner
I can't rail against that, in fairness --- that's sound logic. Having said that, consider it a deficiency for Camacho. Every fighter has them, & most great fighters (those greater than Camacho) had them. Look at Lennox Lewis, as one instance. Few would rank him outside the top-15 all-time champions for his division, & most would have him in the top-10. Hell, a few may even include him in their top-5 --- although I'm betting most of them would take their sauce in, "pints," & have the lyrics to God Save The Queen committed to memory :: At any rate, Lewis had --- at best, by my estimation --- a suspect chin, & questionable recuperative powers. Oliver McCall & Hasim Rahman, neither of whom were anything more than good, perhaps slightly above-average punchers for their weightclass, highlighted the former Lewis deficiency & with it, the second as well. Had Ray Mercer bothered to arrive in-shape for his fight with Lewis, he would have finished what he began to expose in the way of Lewis' ordinary recuperative abilities, too. Such flaws were always there, & always awaited being brought to light. Does that preclude Lewis from being a great fighter? I don't think so --- he had his bases pretty well-covered. Similarly, I think Camacho had enough assets & tools to beat some very, very capable men at both Jr. Light & Lightweight, & keep what you rightly point out to be a glaring weakness from being a factor.
Ramonza, I dig the clever nature of your argument but if there is one deficiency a fighter can never overcome to be great, it is COWARDICE!!!
On what level would you put Camacho at those weights? Give me some names he matches at a roughly equal level to. I'm curious as to just where you put him.
I think Camacho is a good bet against anybody who is slow and has trouble with movement and who throws looping punches think Ramirez (obviously) , Ray Mancini, those types of guys
dude, he RAN from every one of those guys... THAT is why he was able to take huge beatings from them... if he had really fought back, he might have actually been stopped... which is exactly what he was AFRAID of
I would consider those men (especially Ramirez) to be very good fighters as well. I don't think I disagree with your level, I just think there's not much wrong with being in the range of a Ramirez or a Mancini (thinking the former was better than the latter, though, & just as good as Camacho ever was).
bear in mind, Mancini beat the shit out of Ramirez, pushed him around all night... his most impressive win, to me ... I dont see JLR being THAT MUCH better than "Boom Boom", he was far lesser than him when they actually fought I think being in the range of these guys has more to do with weaknesses Camacho can exploit... it makes him GOOD, it doesnt make him anywhere near great and at his 130 best, Mayweather will require a GREAT fighter to defeat him
he shoeshined a bit, that was it... it was show and nothing more... he wasnt a coward in the sense of quitting on his stool or lying down for a ten count to get out of the fight... but in terms of DECIDING that he could not win and just trying to last the distance??? he was definitely cowardly
I'm with brother Cdogg all the way on this one. I can't believe so many of you overrate Camacho. Amazing.
it really is ridiculous... dude hung around forever, coasting on fumes and somehow its made him a "legend"
thats as ridiculous as thinking Camacho would give him hell Mayweather would win, but he's not doing what Chavez failed to do
yes, Chavez hit harder than Floyd and relentlessly attacked Camacho and could not stop him so, again, tell me how Mayweather succeeds in stopping a man in his prime who was not stopped even well past his prime by Trinidad or De La Hoya your pick is ridiculous mayweather wins, but he has no chance in hell of stopping Camacho
dude, you dont know what you are talking about oyu could count on one hand the fighters in history who punched more sharply than Chavez... he landed more on Camacho in that fight than anyone else did in all of Camacho's fights combined he didnt stop him Mayweather would NEVER stop Camacho under any circumstance
