For the finally time: Marg's gloves loaded?

In the first Cotto fight, did Marg load his gloves? Were they able to trick the NVSAC? And how bout prior to that? Were his gloves loaded against Shitron, Williams, Clottey, ect?

 

I've always thought the further you try to take it back the slimmer the chances. I can believe it for Cotto specifically though because the head injuries were pretty gruesome

 

Impossible to say for sure. All reports going into the Mosley fight had Margarito overweight and out of shape. Living high off the Cotto win.

I lean towards yes. In my gut I think he did it. But there's no actual evidence.

 

Well you have to consider, it didn't begin in the Cotto fight. Tony damn near literally punched Lujan's ear off. Was his gloves loaded in that fight?

 

absolutely not. margarito is a swell bloke

 

I forget. How did Margarito explain his cheating ? Did he use the standard "Somebody in my camp, somebody I trusted did this horrible, horrible deed without my knowledge, we will make sure to track them down and bring them to justice "

 

That's about right.

 

I'm no detective, but I think it's the same guy who killed O.J's wife and the jew waiter, and same one who keeps framing all these honest boxers by putting ROIDS in their cornflakes. He's out there somewhere framing all these people, it's scary.

 

it was a mistake. javier capetillo simply grabbed the wrong insert for the hand wrap out of his training bag. honest mistake

 

PERSPECTIVE is Everything...

Sugar Shane was Thought to Be a SAFE Fight for Margarita, a TUNE-UP, Before Margarita Revisited BIGGER Fights...Shane had ALREADY Lost to Cotto & NEEDED a Come from Behind KO, in the Final Round, just to Beat Ricardo Mayorga...Shane WAS NOT Considered Much of a Threat to Margarito, by Most...

Conversely, Cotto was THE Biggest Fight of Margarito's Career, his 1st Time Headlining a PPV, in Arguably THE BIGGEST Fight of 2007...The Cotto Fight was EVERYTHING to Margarito, in Terms of Fuuuurthering his Career & CEMENTING his Place as an "Elite" Fighter...

Think of it this Way; Why Would Margarita Cheat vs. Shane, yet NOT Do Likewise in the Bigger, More IMPORTANT Fight w/Cotto???...

Of Course his Gloves were Loaded vs. Cotto...




REED:hammert:

 

Good point REED :bears:

 

You have to @ Least WONDER...REED's NEVER Seen Anything like Lujan's Ear was After that Fight...Before OR Since...

To Take Suspicions a Step Fuuuuurther, Look @ Cotto-Margarito II...After the 1st Fight, Cotto had a Tough, BLOODY Fight w/Clottey, Followed by a Tough, BLOODY, BRUTAL KO Loss @ the Hands of Manny Pacquiao...Cotto was DIMINISHED from the Guy Margarita Butchered & Stopped the 1st Time, yet he Barely Left a Mark on Cotto in the RE...



REED:hammert:

 

The "Wrong" Plaster Inserts...



REED:l2:

 

Now, the question begs to be asked: How in the FUCK did he keep getting away with it?

 

The only sort of evidence to suggest Margarito cheated was some odd pink colouring visible in the wrap. Most spectators really couldn't figure out what it could have been...maybe dried blood but that would probably be darker.

Second it was a bit odd how his career developed as sort of this known "slow starter". Certainly not unprecedented but you have to wonder if the reason behind his punches seemingly being harder as the fight progressed being caused by the plaster hardening in his gloves through perspiration.

 

In fairness Margarito was probably more diminished and had problems with his accuracy following the incredible eye damage sustained in the Pacquiao fight

 

Either Way, he LANDED Shots on Miguel Cotto, yet those Shots DIDN'T Have Anywhere Near the Effectiveness they Did in the 1st Cotto Fight...Power NEVER Diminishes...

If Margarita was Able to Slice & Dice Cotto in Fight 1, he Should've Replicated SOME of that Damage in Fight 2...But he Didn't...


REED:hammert:

 

U watching UFC tonight REED?

 

REED Isn't Terribly Interested in Henderson-Pettis...Who Else is On the Card???...



REED:dunno:

 

Frank Mir vs Josh Barnett ::

It's a pretty weak card. I won't be home to watch the main event ,and that's the only one that interests me only because I am sick of Henderson's gift decisions and want him beat.

 

That Being the Case, NO, REED Won't Be Watching UFC Tonight, to Answer Your Question....



REED:hammert:

 

The argument against that is Margarito was in top form for his big shot against Cotto. He was in poor form (as I read several times pre-fight) before the Mosley fight. Margarito had a Cotto hangover, so maybe he or his team decided to look for an edge.

No way of knowing either way. It's a disgrace he was allowed to fight again.

 

Even That Argument ISN'T Sound, Brother Steven-David...

Mosley had Already LOST to the Same Guy (Cotto) Margarita had JUST Soundly Beaten...& Mosley NEEDED a 12th Round KO, to Survive the SHAME of Losing a Decision to Mayorga, in the Fight After That...

Pre-Fight, there was NATHAN about Mosley, that Suggested An Opponent Margarita Would Need an EDGE For...Cotto WAS that Guy, However, in Margarita's Preceding Bout...



REED:hammert:

 

No doubt. Everything you say is true.

But if Marg mailed it in during the Mosley camp, I don't think an insurance plan is out of the question.

 

I honestly don't know, My assumption is that he probably had in the past... Even taking into consideration steve_dave's point about his goofing off in training, REED's point about Mosley is pertinent... Mosley was seen to be well past it and a guy Margarito was expected to beat... If he or his camp saw Mosley as enough of a threat to warrant doctoring his mitts, why would they not see the fresh, prime Miguel Cotto the same way?

 

If you know your guy isn't ready...

 

I mean, it's not like Margarito was hitting Mosley with no effect. He wasn't hitting him at all.

He got fucking smashed. He looked awful.

 

margaritos camp was nervous as shit before the first fight with cintron, due to the imposing size of cintron. his manager sounded like george foreman commenting on the shoulders of cintron at the weighin.

 

The more I think about it, the more I think that the answer is no. Either that or his handwraps didn't do much of a difference. I just can't believe he would have been able to pull this little trick for so many years, in so may big fights, vs respected trainer such as Manny Steward without getting caught (untill the Mosley fight).

Plus, I read that for the Cotto fight (from Michael Rosenthal, not some low life clown) the gauze was given by the commission, so it would take an unbelivable ammount of incompetence by the Cotto camp and the commission for them to not notice it.

 

It COULD be that Margarito felt pressure to be able to KO Mosley. A close decision would have been seen as a letdown at that point. Or perhaps there was some large betting going on (in the past, this has been the reason for usually honest guys to cheat). He might have wanted to send a warning to Floyd and others by destroying Mosley. Or it could be, as Stevedave said, that after his bad training camp he felt he needed little boost. Mosley turned out to be a difficult style matchup for him, perhaps his camp realized this. There are several POSSIBLE motivations for him cheating first time in this fight.

Also, after the first Cotto fight I don't remember anyone praising Margarito's punching power. What seemed super-human about him was they way how he walked right through Cotto's punches but the stoppage came after prolonged accumulation. You would think that if a top class pro fighter had loaded gloves, he would do damage faster, especially since Cotto has been hurt by single punches before and after.

And lastly, if Margarito's gloves were loaded before, this leaves the question of why wasn't he caught. They didn't do any special checking before the Mosley bout, just the normal rituals.

I am on the fence in this question. It could be that Margarito has a long history of loading gloves, but we just do not know for sure either way.