Which means extra pain for Jermain, and no early stoppages! Everybody knows that good ole Smoger doesnt stop a fight til a guy is half dead. Either way, we're gonna see someone inflicted with pain tonight!
BEST Ref in the Game... If U Want a CONCLUSIVE Finish, let Smoger B the Ref...For THIS Particular Fight, there COULDN'T B a BETTER Ref... REED:bears:
Seriously though, you guys that are DARING to go against my pick will be eating some serious crow tonight after the fight. Pay homage to me!!! Jermaine is going to smoke that pretender...and I can't believe you guys can't see that from analyzing the styles!
Jermaine has faster hands than Pavlik, is less predictable than Pavlik and is less hittable than Pavlik. Chins appear close to equal, size close to equal and power isn't much different either (regardless of what Pavlik fans would have you believe). Heart is equal also. They are going to go to war, this much is GUARANTEED, and when there is a trench warfare..and chins, power and size are close...the deciding factors are handspeed, predictablity and defense. Simple boxing 101. Taylor stops Pavlik.
Taylor could win, but not because of any of this garbage you've heaped on us. Taylor NEVER - and I mean NEVER fights inside. If he tries to tonight, he will lose for sure. The only way he wins is the only way he knows how and that's to stink it out - land his jab and the occasional big right hand from the outside and then tie his guy up when he gets close.
I'll give you the faster hands, that's obvious. As far as predictability and defense, I'll strongly disagree. Taylor's defense is just as leaky as Pavlik's. The only difference is, Taylor has been fighting guys like Hopkins and Spinks, who just don't throw a lot of punches. Therefore, he appears to get hit less, but only because he doesn't have as many punches coming at him. I think Winky and Ouma both showed, he is there to be hit. How can you say they're equal in the chin department when Taylor has never even been in the ring with a genuine puncher? Still, Hopkins and Winky both hurt him. Taylor's heart is also questionable in the way he gets easily discouraged and shows it all over his face. See that's where you go wrong. I think it's clear, Pavlik takes a better shot and hits far harder than Taylor. Pavlik fought Grady Brewer in his 9th pro fight, stopped him in 2 rounds. Taylor fought him in his 10th pro fight, and Brewer lasted the full 10. Pavlik KO's fighters, who have never been KO'd or even dropped. Taylor goes the distance with welterweights who have been previously stopped. Agreed. Taylor will take a beating and concede defeat, therefore, stopping Pavlik's brutal assault. :clap:
Well, the question is, does Taylor do that because it's his natural instict, OR has nobody actually taken the time to show him otherwise? There's no physical reason why a guy like Taylor can't fight on the inside successfully. Taylor said in an article that this is the first time he's ever been in a real training camp; he used to treat it more like a day job. I'm not trying to be dramatic about it, but if Steward helped him negotiate the inside even a little bit, then Taylor wins this fight; if he uses his standard hug technique, then he clearly loses IMO. In othe words, I think the way Pavlik fights will FORCE Taylor to take a chance or two actually fighting on the inside.
The good thing about live fights vis a vis mythical matchups is that in this case WE SHALL SEE! After tonight all this "analysis" of your will be rendered useless. I can't wait.
Holy crap. I was working on responding point for point just like this but you beat me to the punch :clap:
so you believe him when he tries to imply that he managed to beat Hopkins twice and draw with Wright by training casually? as far as his unwillingness to fight inside, i think there's three possible explanations: 1. his chin is unreliable and it's too big a risk 2. mentally he can't negotiate an inside fight (entirely possible) 3. he isn't very good at it and gets his azz kicked when he tries to but the idea that having had an entire career of NOT fighting inside, and suddenly be able to do it well enough to beat a guy like Pavlik, i think has to go against any reasonable person's best judgement.
the first point...no, I don't believe Taylor based on what he said; I believe Taylor based on how he fights like an amped up amateur. The guy still gets JITTERY in sometimes for crying out loud even when he's pumping that great jab of his. He makes me nervous just looking at him in the first half of fights. The second point...can't argue with that. Those are all possibilities. It's highly likely that we will find out tonight when he can't just hug (seriously, if he gets away with that for the majortty of rounds I'll be surprised). I may say Pavlik by UD or KO if I didn't think that Taylor in his mind has the idea that he will always get some judge's favor just by being there the whole 12 rounds...nobody's proven him wrong yet.
Wayne Kelly is a good ref too. Remember how long it took before he finally stopped the violent butchering Jones was laying on Richard Hall? The commentators were screaming their asses off to him to stop the fight, Merchant went so far to say "Wayne Kelly needs to be pistol whipped!" ::
Your on crack if you think power is equal. Pavlik clearly carries alot more heat. Kelly wouldnt have let Spinks, or Ouma last the distance. Taylor has a speed edge, but too much is made of Taylor's speed. Some of y'all(esp you) talk about Taylor as if has Mosley handspeed or something. Pavlik has better technique than Taylor, and fights looser. And while Jermain has a better defense, he's hardly a defensive genius.
Kelly would have NEVER landed anything on Spinks. He's got even slower hands than Mayorga. He woould have been chasing spinks aimlessly all night. Let's not play these woulda/shoulda games...let's see what happens TONIGHT!! I believe you'll be singing "the same old song" that you were singing after Calzaghe wiped the floor with Lacy after you picking Lacy to stop "The Welsh Fraud".
The only one playing "the same old song" is YOU who has no other material for me but to bring up Lacy-Calzaghe. And Pavlik would waste Spinks. Cory is no defensive genius, if Karmazin and shot Miguel gonzalez could find him, so could Pavlik.
There's also Tszyu-Hatton.:tease: But you're right, I shouldn't bring them up, that's irrelevant to this fight. I DO respect you as a poster, you're one of teh best here. We just disagree on this one. If I'm wrong, I'll give you props, because you called it a while ago. I hoep you do the same, if you happen to be wrong.
You know my track record, I ALWAYS gladly eat crow whenever I'm wrong. If Taylor wins(as long as its not by gift decision) then I'll give him and you props.
