Greater fighter Trinidad or Canelo?

Who was greater?

Canelo or Trinidad?

Who would win?

Intriguing match because if Cotto's less talented bro could hurt Canelo I would give Trinidad a punchers chance. Outside of that Canelo stops him inside the Distance.

 

Canelo will go down as “greater,” though his legacy will always be tainted to me due to the PED use. But Canelo didn’t have a prime Hopkins to deal with at 160 lbs, and I doubt he does any better than Trinidad did in that fight.

Head to head at 160 with both at their best?

Give me Trinidad via UD or late stoppage. The key to beating Canelo is to keep him on the back foot. He’s just not very effective when forced to back up and against Trinidad, that’s what is going to happen. He doesn’t have the jab and mobility of Hopkins nor his defensive acumen and ring IQ.

 

I think Canelo has probably achieved more than Tito by now, but he definitely isn't the better fighter.

 

I agree I don't see prime Canelo beating Hopkins at 160. Canelo is stronger at 168 and up. At 160 Hopkins style gives him all kinds of trouble. As far as Trinidad stopping Canelo at 160. Not Much to go on. He has one stoppage at 160 vs Joppy who was probably the weakest link out of that tournament. Trinidad wasn't very effective above 154. Another thing how would Trinidad's fat skinny body handle Canelo's body attack.

 

He also obliterated Cherifi and Mayorga at 160

 

Getting really overrated now is Canelo imo.

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Ok bruh ill give you Cherifi and Mayorga was no legit middle weight he was a welter that got fat. BTW Mayorga was knocked out by everyone.

 

I don't think so. The guy is 31 and in his prime. How can you put a cap on his greatness when his career is not over. I would say Trinidad is overrated because people think a guy who knocks out 168 and 175 pounders with a solid proven chin will get knocked out by Tito at 160 who got knocked out by Hopkins not known for his power. To be fair it was a stupid comparison cause Tito was never much of a middle weight. His true weight was 147 or 154. I think Canelo rubs people the wrong way because of his annoying fans and his boring personality. Trinidad is a fan favorite and loved by most fans including myself but deep down we both know Canelo would murder Trinidad prime vs prime.

 

Canelo is probably the best p4p fighter in the world, simply based on the fact that he has won titles in so many weight classes.

But let's not pretend that he's beating the shit out of great fighters. He's fought precisely one properly elite level middleweight/super middleweight and imo he lost both times, clearly the first time.

This is probably the weakest period in terms of quality fighters at 160 - 168 in living memory. FFS, you even have title challengers asking the champ midfight if they are any good

Canelo has dealt with these mediocre titlists well and it isn't his fault that there isn't much in there to fight, but I'd love to have seen him at 168 with Ward, Calzaghe, Froch etc or at 160 with prime Hopkins or RJJ milling around.

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That's fair. I also think the 168 division is pretty weak and yeah to no fault of his own. So let me ask you assuming Canelo fights another 5 to 7 more years who does he have to beat to be up in the same category as a Hopkins, RJJ or to a lesser degree Andre Ward. Now let's also keep in mind Canelo is not a natural super middle weight and started his career at 147 if I'm not mistaken.

 

I don't think there is anyone in those weight classes who comes even close to the calibre of fighters I mentioned. Someone like Froch would be an unbeaten superstar if he was fighting the likes of Saunders, Plant and Smith.

Like I say, it isn't Canelo's fault the comp isn't there, but it is a very important fact to consider when rating him against historical fighters. Does anyone really think that Canelo would have moved up to 168 if Calzaghe, Ward, Froch, Kessler etc were campaigning there? I don't.

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Canelo was a kid when he turned pro, and used to drain almost 20lbs to make 154. He rehydrated more than GGG on fight night and actually fought at 164 before he did 160. The reason Canelo has looked at his best at 168, is because it's his natural weight. No hard cuts, no size disadvantage. He's just at his own weight.

 

I've no doubt that is true, but I also have no doubt that he wouldn't be P4P no.1 if he was fighting there alongside the other fighters I mentioned. His career shows clearly that he likes to minimise risk wherever he can and load things in his favour as much as his leverage allows.

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No size disadvantage huh?

 

There is something wrong with your standards. Some people dedicate most of their posting time to downplay one single boxer’s achievements with weak arguments. In this very thread your case is focusing on his size(supposedly actual natural weight) and ignoring the rest of Alvarez’s resume, and most of all ignoring the fact that any bonehead can be picky about literally any resume in boxing history.

 

That's different, Smith is an a absolutely collosal Super-Middle who's still big even at 168. He wasn't at a size disadvantage against Saunders.

 

What about Kovalev? Rocky Fielding?

 

Kovalev? Lol Don't get me started on that farce. That is one of the dodgiest looking fights I've seen in my life.

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Rocky Fielding

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In the context of my post it's about whether or not Canelo has fought at a size disadvantage or not. I don't think his natural weight is 168. He's 5"6 for ffs

 

The Kovalev win was still impressive because the disadvantage that Kovalev had due to him somewhat passing his prime was mitigated by Canelo fighting at a weight class completely outside of his actual size. I'm not sure what you're implying by dodgy?

 

I'll limit my response to simply that Kovalev was shot to shit by the time Canelo beat him, is by all accounts basically a pisshead and I was not the only one to find his entire performance in that fight very, very suspicious.

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He outweighed both come fight night, and Kovalev isn't a SMW.

 

The knockout was legit. He fought very strange throughout though, barely threw a right hand all fight. Even then he should have been miles ahead as he was the only guy actually throwing anything, yet somehow the judges had Canelo ahead. Again, the finish was legitimate but the whole fight up to that point was weird and fishy.

 

Sure if you want to call a two fight win streak vs world class level competition shot to shit .

 

I always get a good laugh at people that bring up the scorecards when a fight ends in a brutal KO. I remember bjs claiming he was ahead on the scorecards before the stoppage. I can understand bringing up the cards in a close controversial decision but not here .

 

Yup. The whole thing just felt bizarre. Really, really off.

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I'm not going to win any arguments or make any friends here when it comes to Canelo. From now on I'll stick to the protocol of this forum wich is sucking Roy's cock or any other American ATGs(fill blank) .

 

Two fight win streak? Some streak, that And at bigging up the two guys he beat as 'world class'. Anthony Yarde is a bodybuilder, not a boxer. He doesn't even spar in training And he almost beat Kovalev. The other fella in this 'world class streak' actually stopped Kovalev in their first fight


I repeat. Kovalev was shot to shit when Canelo beat him in a very, very odd affair.

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YOURE THE ONLY WHO BRINGS UP ROY HERE! No one else! Literally, no one else.

You have a hard-on for Roy. He hasn't been widely spoken about here in 17 years.