Has DeLa been GOOD or BAD for Boxing???...

Let's THOROUGHLY Discuss Dela's IMPACT on the Sport of Boxing...

Has it Been GOOD or BAD???...MOSTLY Good or MOSTLY Bad???...Or has his Impact TEETERED btwn Both???...

NO Current Fighter has had as Many MEGA Fights...Only Mike Tyson has Been N the Same BallPark as DeLa, N Terms of PPV Sales...NO Current Fighter is as MAINSTREAM as DeLa...

But Look @ the FLIPSIDE...

Has their Been a More SELFISH, More MANIPULATIVE Fighter EVER???...& Is THAT Type of Behavior GOOD for Boxing???...

Yes, he Fought Tito...AFTER it was Known that Tito was STRUGGLING to Make 147...Yes, he Fought Quartey...AFTER Quartey was Exposed by Jose Luis Lopez AND INACTIVE for Over a Year...

DeLa PRESUMED Sugar Shane was a Blown up Lightweight when he 1st Fought him...& he ASSumed Shane was Shot when he agREED to the RE...

Yes, he Fought Vargas...AFTER Tito Ruined him & Wilfredo Rivera & Shibata Flores ILLUSTRATED his Vulnerabilities...

DeLa had the AUDACITY to Make Bernard Hopkins Defend HIS Title @ a Weight of HIS OWN (DeLa's) Choosing...

& Now, DeLa's N the Process of Fighting Boxing's Version of the "7 DWARFS"...He's Already Gotten Floyd & Forbes Out of the Way, Manny Pac's N his Near Future & Little Ricky Hatton is on the Horizon...

Is this GOOD for Boxing???...Does the FACT that All of those were MAINSTREAM Fights OUTWEIGH the BLATANT Manipulation???:dunno:...

& Let's Not Forget Golden Boy Promotions...They TALK a Good Game, yet they CONSISTENTLY Produce the Most EXPENSIVE PPV's w/the SHITTIEST Undercards...

Anyways, Since it's an ELECTION Year, let's Take it to a VOTE...Let the MASSES Speak...Is DeLa GOOD or BAD for Boxing???...

 

I don't think it helps for a constructive discussion to take the negative on every one of DLH's fights.

He fought a lot of elite fighters, and he usually fought them when the timing was better for him.

DLH had a career crafted very well by Bob Arum/Top Rank, and he learned pretty well in that time so that when he left he could continue in the same manner.

Overall, I think he was certainly good for boxing, but, he had a ceiling under which he could have done a lot more and didn't.

 

Both, but I'll say more on the good side for the attention he's brought to the sport and big fights he's been in.

It's true that he's an opportunist he has done his share of fighting smaller guys or picking times when guys seemed vulnerable, but you can find ways to criticize most fighters' opposition.

Objectively speaking, his opposition level has been very impressive.

 

I voted "mostly good".

 

Pre-Hopkins and Hopkins fights were generally good for the sport in addition to his own wallet. The last few years were purely for selfish reasons and the Pacquaio fight is the perfect example of this. So I'll go with Mostly Good.

 

That was Done INTENTIONALLY...

The Podium is Available for ANY DeLa Fan, Supporter, DickRider or Whatever that Wants to ELABORATE on the GOOD he's Done...


REED:hammert:

 

I know what you're getting at but the very same could be said for Ray Leonard. He was every bit the opportunist and hard ass negotiator that Oscar is.

I think most of the "bad for boxing part" will have more to do with Golden Boy promotions than his career.

 

Oscar overall was great for boxing. Nobody has brought as much mainstream attention to boxing as Oscar. He's basically been the face of boxing for the past decade.

 

I'd vote mostly boring. as I mentioned in previous threads, delahoya is batting .250 at best in his mega fights against top level competition as far as excitement is concerned.

dull: whitaker, quartey, trinidad, mosley rematch, hopkins, mayweather

compelling: mosley, vargas

 

That's a stupid statement and consistent with your intelligence level.

 

The Quartey fight had a couple good rounds. It was pretty boring, although compelling.

 

10 rounds of posing is hardly thrilling. I prefer matches where the excitement is as high as your cholesterol level, jokozuna.

 

Isn't posing what you do in Foot Locker and Champs sports with the jerseys you wish you could afford? It's too bad boxing doesn't have the excitement level you are looking for being a streetball/AND 1 groupie.

 

I don't know if it was ten rounds of posing. It was a jab contest, though.

 

there you go again, talking about wealth. this isn't the old days when there was a correlation between obesity and affluence.

I shall give you credit though, you are one brave fat man. living where you live I'm sure whatever family you've got sees you as a walking meal ticket. No, I'm not referring to the life insurance payout after your impending cardiac arrest sure to be induced by your monterey jack-filled arteries. Why wait, when your Uncle Albert can cash in immediately by poisoning you & selling your blubbery corpse to some small village planning a Labor day Luau. Watching you charbroil as you rotate on a spit would be no less boring than 10 of the rounds in the Quartey vs Delahoya pose fest.

 

Jack Dempsey
Rocky Marciano
Joe Louis
Muhammad Ali
Sugar Ray Leonard
Mike Tyson

I don't think of him as the face of boxing at all. Even after Tyson quit in Louisville there were people STILL wondering if he got in shape could he win the heavyweight title.

All boxing and Golden Boy has done is figure out how to milk sponsorships and put more shows on PPV. That's it.

 

ya think maybe your perspective in particular could be distorting your view of what's what?

the only non-African American factor in making boxing mainstream was Marciano?

 

You missed Dempsey.

 

It's hard for me to really see an argument that DLH hasn't been the face of boxing for the lat 5-10 years.

You can argue that it's been more apparent in certain regions, because DLH's status is more prominent in the West and Southwest, but still, he's been the one steady, consistent star in the sport since probably '99 (when he ascended and Holyfield declined), and even more so since 2003 (after Lewis-Tyson in '02 and Lewis-Klitschko in '03 after which Lewis retired).

It's hard to compare anyone's pay per view stats to his (borrowed from another site):

Oscar De La Hoya's Pay-Per-View History
1. Rafael Ruelas (5/95) 330,000 buys = $9.9 million
2. Genaro Hernandez (9/95) 220,000 buys = $6.6 million
3. Miguel Angel Gonzalez (1/97) 345,000 buys = $12.1 million
4. Pernell Whitaker (4/97) 720,000 buys = $28.8 million
5. Hector Camacho (9/97) 560,000 buys = $22.4 million
6. Wilfredo Rivera (12/97) 240,000 buys = $9.6 million
7. Julio Cesar Chavez II ( 9/98) 525,000 buys = $23.6 million
8. Ike Quartey ( 2/99) 570,000 buys =$25.7 million
9. Felix Trinidad (9/99) 1.4 million buys = $71.4 million
10. Shane Mosley (6/00) 590,000 buys = $29.5 million
11. Javier Castillejo (6/01) 400,000 buys = $16.0 million
12. Fernando Vargas (9/02) 935,000 buys = $47.8 million
13. Yory Boy Campas (5/03) 350,000 buys = $17.5 million
14. Shane Mosley II (9/03) 950,000 buys = $48.4 million
15. Felix Sturm (6/04) 380,000 buys = $19.0 million
16. Bernard Hopkins (9/04) 1 million buys = $56.0 million
17. Ricardo Mayorga (5/06) 935,000 buys = $46.3 million
18. Floyd Mayweather Jr. (5/07) 2.15 million buys = $120.0 million

 

Manny Pacquiao will have 2.75 million buys

 

Shit I'm surprised Pernell did more buys than Chavez and Mosley.

 

LMAO @ the thought of Oscar bringing the most mainstream attention to the sport. In the lower weights yes. But Oscar NEVER EVER reached the level of popularity of Tyson. I'd even say that Holy in the late 90's was way more popular than Oscar ever was.

 

ODLH was a great fighter who did a hell of a lot for the sport of boxing, no doubt about it, but his legacy is growing more and more tarnished with each and every day that he continues to engage in complete mismatch fights, sell shitty PPV's, lines his already hefty pockets through G and wears tarty underwear...

Fuck him. If he cared a single copper coin for his ring legacy, he would no longer be anywhere near a ring. As it is, he doesn't give a shit, so why should we?

MTF

 

DE LA HOYA did OKAY for boxing..he didn't DO ALL HE COULD've DONE.....but as a PROMOTER he could DO ALOT MORE FOR THE SPORT...but right NOW he is SHITTING ALL OVER IT...so FUCK HIM!!!!!

He might have the kind of connection that could get fights back on prime time tv...and schedule some good/great fight that will keep the people watching...but he decides to fuck us with these bullshit ppv's involving himself and the rest of his partners...*business partners, not you know what *humpy,hump* partners..*

 

I think DeLa Hoya has been mostly good for the sport mainly because he appealed to a demographic that was traditionally absent from the sport: young females. Is nice to see now girls following boxing that not long ago was regarded as a men's only sport. DeLa Hoya crossover appeal to mainstream audiences keeped boxing alive in a time when almost every news media was clamoring for a ban on boxing.

 

I've never been a fan, but appreciated the earlier portion of DLH's prime years as a mainstream attraction, since notable fighters were able to get valuable face time on his undercards (though of course were forced to compete with Mia St. John and Butterbean in that regard).

But once DLH split his time between fighter and promoter, it's been a self-serving mission and hardly productive for the sport itself. Golden Boy has done a spectacular job in rounding up sponsorship for their events, but what they're not giving back is compelling action or fighters we should give a fuck about in the future.

Maybe that changes now that Oscar's money is pillowing the seats of the powers that be at USA Boxing, but for the moment the one fighter they can call a successful development is Abner Mares, who's at least close to the championship level. But so far, he remains the falling tree in the vacant forest.

My feeling is that Oscar won't do any better for the sport so long as he keeps fighting, because shows in which he headlines offer shitty undercards, perhaps out of fear of anyone stealing the spotlight from him. :dunno: Whatever the case, it's more self-serving than it is any good for the sport.

 

::::Betterfor boxing than Roy and by a country mile.If you can dissect DLH's resume, if you had a shred of objectivity you'd hate Roy. DLH had the best level of competition since the early 1990's bar none. Was he the best fighter, fuck no.

Imo, he was good for the sport. Now, he is could be killing it. He is not a real fighter anymore.

 

Delahoya has been good for boxing. Without him boxing would have been less mainstream. Pushing a fight with Pacman is a disgrace though.

 

Good luck finding someone who has disliked dlh as long and as much as I have, but he's been good for the sport.

 

you were a huge marco rudolf fan, weren't ya mikE?