Has there ever been a world level fighter as inept.....

....in any area of the sport as Khan is on the inside? Serious question.

 

Mike Tyson was pretty inept in jabbing and circling away. I can't remember him ever winning even a round against anybody that way, whenever he jabbed he came forwards

 

It's a difficult one, you use the word "Inept" and that means a lot of things, like inability to tie up on the inside, inability to work on the inside, no defence on the inside, no composure on the inside, get's sucked inside too easy etc. The inability to do anything on the inside.

A poor inside fighter would be Wlad, but he has good effective D on the inside.

There are not too many fighters who fill all of those categories.

 

I'd be curious how well Wlad did if a ref did his job as well as the ref did last night. Whoever that guy is he's now right up there with Donaire as my favourite participant in the sport. The sport needs more refs like that desperately.

 

I'd say jabbing and moving is a strategy, while being effective from the outside is an 'area'. Mike was consistently effective when guys tried to do that.

 

A mere con is just inept. Like I have said earlier, his win over Maidana was a loss. Maidana is a club fighter with a punch. Any decent fighter walks over that shitbag. Khan ran and held on for dear life. He doesn't have the boxing skill to outbox Maidana. A the world level con is a sloppy, feather fisted track star, a sack of shit by another name.

 

That's fair. But if a fighter is able to avoid certain areas of fighting so that he can defeat world class opposition by just using his strengths, then he does not have a problem with that area, same goes with the Tyson example. So I do agree with your observation about Khan, how important that is when we rate him as a fighter is debatable

 

Last night is a good example why it is not debatable.

 

You can't avoid fighting on the inside, if you're against a guy who can get there. (Well, unless the ref lets you flat out cheat, which most do.)

 

Which round was it Khan nearly fell over from running backwards so fast? Think it was the 6th or 7th.*pishing*

 

No. Last night proved that Khan is not that great of a fighter, not that inside fighting is essential. Khan has already beaten several guys that are better than him as inside fighters. Just like Ali wasn't particularly good inside fighter shouldn't count against him when we judge his place in the history

 

Audley Harrison.

 

I never thought I'd see a world class fighter with a lower ring IQ than Jermain Taylor. Until Khan came around.........

 

It was embarassing to see Khan running backwards and almost falling.

He simply doesnt know how to fight inside. He was never taught how to do it apparentley.

That would leave him with no answers against Brandon Rios.

 

Khan is a perfect example of how far the the sport has fallen... put this kid in any time between 1940 and 2000 and he never gets this far, he gets picked off several times

 

Like someone said Khan is another Jermain Taylor....a bit less stiff and with more speed.

When he throws his combinations it looks like he is still hitting the mitts, if his opponents don't respect his punching power they run him out the ring....

 

I only comapred them in terms of ring IQ. Khan is dumber though. I say because Taylor occasionally used his jab, and looked to finding openings. Khan's only ever strategy is to throw mindless combinations, then move away.

As fighters, I didnt compare them. Thats because Taylor was BETTER. Considerably better.

Also, Taylor actually FOUGHT. He was flawed as hell, but he tood his ground and fought. He threw punches with the intention of hurting guys. People can talk about Khan having heart all they want. He still runs like a bitch, clinches like a motherfucker, and rarely ever throws punches with the intention to do damage. Usually he throws punches with the intention to keep a guy off.

 

The hell you're talking aout. Beating washuped legend and taylor made opposition as always been possible. Fraud and management made fighter have always existed. Stop being silly

 

Good point. It's just mindless, blind flurrying. It's like his programmer under the ring is just mashing the playstation pad.

 

Hahaha, yeah, that's exactly what Khan is, a real life Button Masher.

It's like giving the 360 pad to my girlfriend and her just mashing out SRK's and fireballs with Ken, with literally NO thought into what she's doing ::

Whether it's street fighter or boxing, any skilled combatant can counter such mindless tactics without much problem, even when at a talent deficit.

 

How many total frauds were on the p4p list during the time I quoted? How many guys were THE MAN in their division with as little to offer as Khan?

There have always been frauds, Chavez Jr. style... but no one says Chavez Jr. is a superstar, no one even says he's good... This kid was a P4P candidate... Find me one guy as bad as Khan who got as far as he has... without completely bullshitting, you will not be able to

 

who had Khan on the p4p list???

ring magazine who's own by G ???

A few british fan ???

the guy had a couple of good wins (kotelnik, Maidana) , a great amateur resume, and a big fan base in the UK. he was hyped as a superstar by his promoters, but no one credible had him in a p4p list

 

He was indisputably one of the top 2 guys in what was considered a deep division. By right.

 

before last night, who did you have 1 and 2 at 140? Bradley and Khan, I'd bet

Like I said, quit talking shit and dig into the archives and find me a guy this shitty who was this big a star with this high a ranking

In the 1950s they dismissed Chuck Davey as a pampered and protected fighter, an entertaining white kid with good management who was steered toward a title shot with Kid Gavilan (who beat him half to death) ... The experts hated the guy; before he got the shot at Gavilan, he was matched twice with Carmen Basilio, matched with Ike Williams and Rocky Graziano, experienced and dangerous fighters... THis is a guy considered a joke at the time and he's in there with guys like that? That was his "handpicked opposition", there's no comparison to be made... what serious veteran did Khan have to contend with? Marco Antonio Barrera? LOL... I'm picking out a guy that boxing people thought was a huge fraud at that time... That resume would have him touted as a genuine global superstar today.

 

Khan is not nearly as bad as you say he is, and 140 lbs is not that deep of a division. He has good qualitu has a fighter (great handspeed, solid power, good accuracy and stamina), has beaten solid fighters (barrera was only 2 years removed from his squeaker with Marquez, Kotelnik and Maidan were pretty good fighters, Judah is not that bad of a fighter).

And who care how big Khan is a star. He's popular cause he nearly won gold at the Olympics, beat the cuban afterward in his last amateur fight, and his the first succesfull parki boxer. As I said he's overated and overhyped cause his promoter has the media (HBO and RING) in his pocket

about 10 years ago Angel Mannfredy was considered a border line top 25 p4p, as Khan was before yesterday, and I think Khan is a better fighter than him

 

David Reid was a border line p4per and his resume is way worse than Khan, and Khan is also probably a better fighter. There's numerous examples like this, and you'll see this if you stop this doom prophet act you took up a few months ago.

 

I've been saying boxing's going downhill for ten years, puto

David Reid was nowhere near the P4P list, not even close

 

You keep saying he has solid power and accuracy, neither of those things is true

Barrera was shot and tiny, stop with this nonsense

Maidana is a wild-swinging clubfighter whoc couldn't take out a 100 year old fat Erik Morales

How is Khan really any better than Angel Manfredy?

BTW, I just dug up the November 2001 (10 years ago) "Ring 100"... Angel Manfredy was ranked FORTY-EIGHTH on that list... who is 48 right now? Are there even 48 guys worth talking about?

 

You're a loser who has to resort to insult, even tought he's such an imbecile he makes claims that are flatly wrong.


See I have the ringalmanc for 2002, and in 2000, Reid was considered 25th p4p best fighter in the world, and in 1999 he was 23rd. I guess when you have the intellectual level to only be a fucking mason, you become bitter about life

 

David Reid had one good eye and took bombs from Tito Trinidad without being stopped. The guy was handicapped from day 1. And he had a better amateur resume, won a PROPER title sooner. Khan took two things when he fought Prescott: 1, some bombs, 2, a nap.