Homepage content wanted- P4P Lists

In keeping with almost every boxing website and magazine in the entire universe, Fightbeat is looking to publish our own (and obviously definitive) 'pound for pound' list on the homepage, to be updated as and when necessary.

The idea is for you lot to submit your own lists and that, once they are all in, they are tallied up and published accordingly.

All we need is a top-ten world list and, where appropriate, an explanatory blurb. That is all.

For those of you who aren't a fan of these lists (and this includes me to a large extent), that is your perogative and you are welcome to simply leave well alone. Don't turn this thread into a mass bicker about how shit these lists are nowadays... :warning:

Arguably sad though it is, this type of thing is becoming something of an 'industry standard' and a site/publication is often judged at first glance by this type of list. Despite a few loose cannons ::, we have some very good, knowledgeable posters here and this is a good opportunity for you all to contribute something to the homepage content at very little expended time and effort.

All contributions are welcome. Closing date is Friday 2nd April.

MTF opcorn:

P.S If a mod could sticky this I'd be grateful...

 

Can i put Terry Norris on mine?

 

1. terry norris

 

You can put him as often as you like...

MTF :bangh:

 

2. Amir Khan

MTF :cheer:

 

1. Manny Pacquiao (will change once Floyd beats Mosley)
2. Floyd Mayweather (subject to change...see above)
3 - 10. Vacant.

 

I hate p4p lists but I feel the need to help the site so here it is

1. Pacquiao
2. Wlad
3. Pavlik
4. Dawson
5. Bradley
6. Vitali
7. Abraham
8. Hopkins
9. Valero
10. Ward

 

This is the kind of spirit which is needed round here...:hump:

Why no Mayweather, by the way?

MTF

 

He has now faced anybody from his division in two and half years. Him, like many others, could have the ability to be high, but he needs to prove it. Just like any champion loses his status if he does not fight

 

So when you think of the 10 best fighters in teh world...you don't see Floyd as being among them? Or are you just trying to be clever, Fin?

 

1. Pacquiao
2. Mayweather
3. Hopkins
4. Dawson
= 5. Vitali + Wlad
7. JM Marquez
8. Abraham
9. P Williams
10. Caballero

 

Depends on what you mean by "best". Technically skilled? - Sure, Floyd is there. But to have any reasoning behind these rankings, what we need is achievement and victories over the competition in your own division. I mean, what else can be measured?

Mayweather has all the talent in the world but since he is a welterweight and has not beaten a welterweight in years, there is simply no reason to rank him right now. If he beats Mosley and looks good doing it, then he proves that he is among the best of his division and among the best in the world. Right now, he has not shown it.

Do you have a reasoning to rank him or are you once again repeating what others say, without doing any thinking?

 

Pound for pound isn't supposed to be too complicated. It's about who are the best fighters in the world. You don't think Floyd has proven to be among the very best out there right now? Marquez may not have been a natural Welterweight but doesn't that fight prove that Floyd still moves well, still defends well and is still sharp? It doesn't look like Floyd has slipped at all and therefore, until beaten or looking like he's obviously slipped we have to assume that he's just as good as he was when he beat Welterweight guys like Hatton, Judah and De La Hoya.

You wanna tell me that pavlik, Ward and bradley are better fighters than Floyd is right now?

When people try to be too clever they end up making themselves look ridiculous...

 

To me, the only way to measure which one is better between two fighters from two different divisions is how they do against the competition in their own weight class. Movement, speed, power, everything is secondary after that. They do not make you the best fighter in the world; winning fights does.

Kelly Pavlik ranks high because in his own weight division he has very few credible challengers. It doesn't matter if you think he is clumsy, slow, has bad technique, has unsexy abs or whatever it is you prefer. He has beaten up every middleweight he has faced and him against the #2 middleweight (Sturm) would seem to be a mismatch. PBF has not proven the same yet. When he does, we talk again.

Again, if actually thinking the subject before repeating old mantras is being too clever, then I apologize.

 

1) Pacquiao
2) Mayweather
3) Hopkins
4) Dawson
5) Mosley
6) Williams
7) Bradley
8) Pavlik
9) Valero
10) JM Marquez

11) Terry Norris

 

So, did you put Pacquiao out of your top 10 when from 2005 to 2008 at 130 fought: Morales, Velazquez, Larios, Solis, Barrera and JMM? None of them real Superfeatherweights?

 

As I said, I usually do not do p4p lists at all since there are silly. Fighting comers from lower divisions is not automatically a problem, for example PBF facing Hatton while he reigned at 147 was good. The fact that he has not faced a welterweight ever since even though there are plenty of credible contenders around is what has dropped him out of rankings. One good win and he is back

 

Where is your list?

MTF :nono:

 

1. Pac
2. Floyd
3. Wlad
4. JMM
5. Mosley
6. Williams
7. Vitali
8. Cotto
9. Caballero
T. Valero

:dunno:

 

Trying (& FAILING) to B Clever...As Usual...ANY So-Called "Pound for Pound" List that LACKS Floyd Mayweather CANNOT B Taken Seriously...



REED:shit:

 

You two get a room and talk about me there and stop ruining threads. I have given you my reasoning. I see p4p different than most but why should that matter to you? Go ahead and parrot another p4p list like you read on The Ring and feel yourself clever succesfully

 

Your "Reasoning" is BOGUS @ Best...Floyd Mayweather was the # 1 Fighter in the World, Pound for Pound, when he Retired...N his 1st Fight Back, he Beat JM Marquez who was # 2 or 3 AT WORST, Pound for Pound, at the Time...& he Looked as if he HADN'T Skipped a Beat...

By Definition, Pound for Pound means, "Regardless of Weight/Division", yet Here YOU Go Using Weight/Division to PUNISH Floyd Mayweather???....NOBODY is "Parroting" Anything, they're just Not FOOLISH Enough to Disregard what's Before their Eyes; That Being, THE ONLY Fighter w/a Claim to Being BETTER than Floyd Mayweather, Pound for Pound, is Manny Pacquiao...It's NOT that Difficult...

N the Future, if U PERSIST in Making DUMBASS Posts, @ Least Do it w/YOUR Sven Ottke ALIAS...



REED:boohoo:

 

In fairness, p4p doesn't mean regardless of weight class. It means how great you are RELATIVE to your size. So you have to beat guys your own size to prove your greatness relative to your size and hence p4p. I think not having him top 10 is absurd, but I could see a case for having him below Mosley, say, based on how little he's done at welterweight. The fact Marquez was No 2 or 3 greatest relative to HIS size at 130lb really doesn't make Mayweathers win over him AT 147 relevant.

 

Have you ever thought what that means? How can you measure fighters without weight divisions? What do you measure if not accomplishment.

Thinking without weight divisions, if Wlad beats Ivan Calderon, that should be a worthy victory in p4p sense, since weight divisions don't count.

As I said, if you want to choose the most skilful fighter in the world, then Floyd can be #1. But to be the best fighter in the world, you have to fight the best, and in boxing that means the best of your own size. Is this really somehow unfair?

All I am asking for is Floyd to win one, I repeat, one opponent from his own weight division in 2 1/2 years before ranking him to the top of that division. Is that unfair too. And IMHO a fighter can not be the best in the world before proving to be the best of his division.

If Floyd wins Mosley convincingly, he will be #1 or #2 of my ranks. I guess that is unfair too. Maybe I should rank Joe Calzaghe too since he has a good record and he might fight again against someone in his division? Or if he beat Tim Bradley, then he would be at top-10 no question?

 

:bears:at least somebody actually thinks

 

1. Fedor
2. Anderson Silva
3. GSP
4. BJ Penn
5. Lyoto Machida
6. Jose Aldo
7. Shinya Aoki
8. Eddie Alvarez
9. Gegard Mousassi
10. Shogun Rua


TFK

 

Yeah, he "Thinks NOT Having Mayweather Top 10 is ABSURD"...& U APPLAUDED It!!!....



REED:bears:

 

Yes. Because somebody disagreeing with me doesn't bother me one bit. As long as the person in question thinks himself and gives a reason to his opinion, that is fine and makes for good conversations. What does not make for good conversations is somebody turning conversations personal and not reasoning his opinions.

 

Pound for Pound was Invented as a Means of PRAISING Sugar Ray Robinson, who was Quite CLEARLY The Best Fighter in the World, Despite Not Having the Size to Compete in Boxing's Glamour Division (Heavyweight, Obviously)....It was Invented as a Means of Taking Size/Weight/Division OUT of the Equation...



REED:mj:

 

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