How important is the lineal title to you?

Just saw this argument from AJ that it's irrelevant, just wanted to gauge the esteem it's held in on FightBeat.

Joshua Throws Water at Tyson Fury's Lineal Champion Claim

 

it should be the only title period.

 

All titles are meaningless imo

 

It used to be the only title that matters to me, but not anymore.

If fighters fought regularly against each other or publicly announced to give their titles up, it would work. But in modern world fans can't be expected to wait for three years before the 'real champion' drags his ass to the ring.

Also, had Tyson Fury lost his comeback bout against Nuri Seferi, nobody in their right mind would have called Seferi the real champion, any more than Briggs was one after beating Foreman.

To me, the real champion these days is the one who the consensus of fans regards as the champion. All titles, including the lineal one, are secondary

 

I can understand where Joshua is coming from right now, but I bet you any money, if Fury had beaten Wilder, Joshua's thinking would be different. Fury currently has no belt so right now it's a high risk low reward for AJ if he was to beat him. If Fury beats Wilder in the rematch, that would change.
I agree with boss though that the lineal title should be the only belt that matters. One belt, period.

 

Totally irrelevant. He failed a drug test then dropped out the sport, the titles became vacant and were contested. AJ is champ.

At best fury retained the right to skip the queue for a shot at regaining them

 

The reward with fighting furry is a bigger payday than facing wilder

 

Hypothetically, if Joshua agreed to fight Fury in April 2019, how much money would/could he make?
(assuming it's a Wembley Stadium affair)

 

That fight could sell out Wembley twice over, biggest British fight of all time.

 

It could, unless cdogg would be yelling 'these guys can't box!' at ringside, in which case everyone would walk out disappointed.

 

So, I don't see why Joshua and Hearn arent killing themselves to get the fight with Fury.




Oh wait, yes I do....

 

Agreed.

 

Maybe I worded it wrong, but if Fury claims the WBC belt, Eddie will try his absolute best to make the fight, but with no belt, he doesn't want to do business with Fury. I know the fight is absolutely huge, but it's a waiting game until then.

 

Or, if AJ beats Wilder and then has the WBC belt to go with his other belts, then AJ-Fury is more likely to happen.

 

Well, I don't know the exact figures but it would be shit loads of course. But Hearn isn't going to make the fight in April.

 

"Threw water on his claims..."

What a loaded fucking headline. Guess we know who the favorite is with the British press.

 

Shannon Briggs once held the lineal title. Its meaningless.

 

It's an Okay Footnote, but Terribly FLAWED @ the Same Time....

No One Ever Beat Rocky Marciano for the Heavyweight Title...No One Ever Beat Michael Spinks for the Light Heavyweight Title...

The Man Who Beat the Man Who Beat the Man SOUNDS Good, but it's Not Accurate...







REED

 

Exactly. So how in the fuck is Fury the lineal champ when Wald never beat anyone?

 

Obviously the lineage can be resumed... But when people like a fighter that’s not the lineal champ they’re going to do what they want, so there’s no point in it. Just goes to show how one champ per division is bullshit.

 

You can be lineal champion and not the best fighter in the division. I think in my mind that's where some people get upset at the lineal champion distinction. Like nobody thought Erdei was the best fighter in the LHW division when he was lineal champ. Or when Michael Spinks was still lineal HW champ after vacating the IBF title when the original Tyson was winning the rest of the alphabet belts.

 

No, a NEW Lineage Begins...

In the TRUEST Sense of the Word, a Broken or Interrupted Line is NOT "Resumed", a NEW Line is Formed...There's No Line from Marciano to Floyd Patterson...No Line from Lennox Lewis to Anyone Else Either...

REED Respects the IDEA of a Lineal Champion, but the Whole Thing is Built on a FAULTY Ass Premise...






REED

 

90's George Foreman, Shannon Briggs, Carlos Baldomir…






REED

 

And in the Meantime, the Guy with 3/4th's of the Heavyweight Titles LOSES Credibility Daily...

Wilder and Fury TIED, Boxing Fans WON as a Result of the Event and the Fight Itself, and the LOSER In All of this is Anthony Joshua...Hearn Once Signed Luis Ortiz JUST to Keep him from Facing Joshua...Wilder-Fury ONLY Happened Because of Team Joshua's Reluctance to Face Wilder...

Now, there's a Growing Belief Joshua's the 4th Best Heavyweight in the World, Hardware Not Withstanding...That's the Predicament Joshua's ALLOWED Eddie Hearn to Place him In...





REED

 

Not quite. The facts are accurate but the chronology which drives them is screwy. His "Failed Test".........became a factor......when it needed to become a factor.

 

It’s a simple ass premise but you liked Roy more than Michalczewski. So fuck lineal titles.

 

It's a FLAWED Ass Premise and What EXACTLY Does Roy Have to Do w/Anything?...REED Referenced One Instance that Pre-Dates Roy by Like 30 Fucking Years, Another that Pre-Dates Him By 10-15 Years...

MichalSHITski Wasn't a Lineal Champion Either, in the TRUEST Sense of the Word...Roy Wouldn't Have Been Any More of a Lineal Champion Either, if it Makes You Feel Better...Who Beat Michael Spinks for his Light Heavyweight Title? Hell, Who Beat Archie Moore for His Light Heavyweight Title?

There Is No "Man Who Beat the Man Who Beat the Man", When Motherfuckers RETIRED as Lineal Champion...Instead, a Brand New Lineage was Created...




REED

 

AJ-Wilder is the fight that should be made, IMO. I really don’t need to see Fury outclass Wilder again.

Hearn needs to stop being scared and make this fight happen.

 

To Hearn, Joshua is a Cow w/a SPECIAL Grade of Milk...And He's Trying to Milk EVERY Drop of it Before Putting Joshua in Anymore 50-50 Fights...

He's Doing What Golden Boy Did w/Canelo Post-Cotto/Pre-Triple G...




REED

 

Speaking of lineal champs, this thread made me look up Holmes status when he won the title from a retired Ali. Holmes was awarded the Ring title in 1980, essentially creating his own lineage. However, it turns out the Ali suffering from CTE was still lineal champion despite "retiring" after the Leon Spinks rematch. What many people don't remember, is that Ali's retirement against Spinks was the same type of retirement he had after Frazier III and Norton III. Meaning he wasn't actually retiring. He dropped the WBA belt like a year later only after Bob Arum gave him $300k to vacate it.

During his supposed retirement after Spinks, he managed to box Jimmy Ellis a million times and also pulled a Mayweather by fighting an athlete (Lyle Alzado) in a boxing match. So he wasn't really retired and kept the HW title lineage with him. You could say Holmes was the new lineal champion by being awarded the Ring belt, but Ali was actually in the ring more often then he was! So when Arum's gives Ali $300k to vacate the WBA belt, he set up a WBA tourney, which Mike Weaver won from John Tate. Turns out, Ali set up a fight with Tate provided that he get passed Weaver, which was going to happen until Weaver landed a miracle KO punch in the final round. That was the night Holmes was awarded the Ring title. Instead of fighting Tate, Ali decides to go to Minnesota and cuts the "I'll destroy Holmes!" promo after Holmes' grotesque mismatch against Scott LeDoux.



Sets up the Holmes match, and Holmes ends up winning the lineal title from Ali anyway.