Now that the Pavlik dick sucking bandwagon has been posted yet again, I thought why not the Taylor Bandwagon? I will tell you this, alot of people are setting themselves up to be shocked again! Taylor is the better boxer, has much more hand-speed. Taylor also has the power to hurt Pavlik as he shown in the first fight. I believe in the rematch Taylor will win and will win by a stunning knockout of Pavlik. WAR TAYLOR!!!!:bears: :bears: :bears:
If he wins, it would be bad for boxing. We will have a mw champion that just got knocked the fuck out in a non-title fight. :doh:
Honestly, Taylor ISN'T:nono: ... Pavlik is More TECHNICALLY Sound by a MILE...His JAB is Superior, his "1-2" is Basic, yet EFFECTIVE (MORE Consistently Effective than Anything Taylor has)...& Pavlik has a WIDER Variety of Punches @ his Disposal... Taylor's ONLY Advantage is HANDSPEED, which is NEGATED by Pavlik's JAB & TIMING... Jermain Taylor DOESN'T Have the Trainer or Boxing Smarts to Make the Necessary ADJUSTMENTS to Beat Pavlik... Pavlik's just BETTER... REED
dsimon writes: Ugo is pissing in the right direction. Taylor gets by on strength and on some athletic ability more than any boxing ability. Pavlik is the opposite in that he gets by on being a fighter and on great pressuring technique. Taylor is overmatched any way you look at it though. he can't overpower Pavlik, can't take him in deep water with technical skills and he isn't stronger than Pavlik. Taylor does not have a lot of finesse but he has athletic ability primarily in the form of strength.
REED just Can't See it... Especially for an African-American Fighter, Jermain Taylor LACKS Athleticism... He has DECENT Handspeed, but that's about it...He's FLAT-FOOTED,his Footwork is CLUMSY, he's UNcoordinated... "Good Athletes" have a Level of FLUIDITY that Taylor Clearly LACKS...REED Could List a Boatload of African American Fighters who R SUPERIOR Athletes... Ricky Hatton is a SUPERIOR Athlete...Jason Litzau is a SUPERIOR Athlete... REED
dsimon writes: He would be a great wrestler. He has freakish strength, it allowed him to keep bernard from destroying him inside. He was about the only guy to physically throw Bernard around in that area, even if he was getting hit by Bernard's punches in the process. This strength inside is why Bernard was so measured in their fights. I think Bernard won both fights but was more careful because of this strength.
dsimon writes: What you seem to be saying is that he lacks finesse. I agree with that. There is a tendency to ascribe to African American Athletes the quality of finesse, i.e. body intelligence and Taylor is not that kind of athlete.
Taylor appears to make Uncle-Tom's as quickly as Fraud makes cock-nibbling psycophants :dunno: ,.. I think it's rather suprising, the flagrant disrespect, resentment? perhaps, shown towards Bernard Hopkins father, and you can say that, again. Jermaine made no excuses for his first professional loss, he absorbed it like a man, and is doing what a gutsy fighter does by taking the immediate rematch, I believe the conduct and goodwill shown by boxing's most prudent ambassador, shall be rewarded with an early knockout victory over the white-american, who's name I have forgotten, but his race and ethnicity, is certainly one hell of an oman.
Agreed with Taylor not being too fluid and not the most coordinated of fighters. He does have some athleticism though. He's not the most technically sound of guys, he didn't fight at roughly an even level with great boxers such as Hopkins and Wright because he could match technical skills with them. It took some of his athleticism (and his determination) as well. Wasn't he a good track runner in high school also?
Agreed! Taylor is a very good fighter. Alot of people are underestimating him here. This is a very winnable fight for Taylor if he can correct the mistakes me made in the first fight. Pavlik is slow and a sloppy fighter.
You don't beat Bernard Hopkins if your not gifted. Taylor is a very good boxer. He will prove alot you you wrong and I CANT WAIT.
Oh, I thought the point was that if a white guy is a better athlete than a black guy, that the black guy must be a really shitty athlete?? Isn't that the point you wanted to make about Taylor?? No??
1st of All, Taylor Arguably LOST to Bernard Both Times... 2nd, he Beat a 40 Year Old, 10 Punch per Round Bernard, NOT a PRIME "Executioner":nono: ... If Taylor is "Gifted", it's BARELY... REED
Bullshit! Weather B-Hop won them fights or not Taylor made it very competetive. I personally thought Taylor won 1 out of the 2 fights. A argument can be made. Also I sick and tired about this Hopkins is not in his prime crap! Let's look at the facts. After the 2 fights with Taylor, Hopkins went on and DOMINATED Antonio Tarver @Light Heavyweight and beat Wright who hasn't lost in a decade. Who has been able to clearly beat Hopkins until this day? :nono: Weather he was or not he is still a damn good fighter until this day!
Allow REED to SPELL it OUT for U (& Feel FREE to Re-REED from the BEGINNING if/when U Get LOST)... Jermain Taylor IS NOT a Good Athlete:nono: ... w/a SMALL # of Exceptions, African-American Fighters R GENERALLY Good Athletes (Do U DISagree???:dunno: )...Even if they're NOT Terribly Good FIGHTERS, their ATHLETICISM is Usually APPARENT... Jermain Taylor is UNathletic as it Pertains to the Typical African-American Fighter... A SMALLER # of White Fighters R Known for their Athleticism Compared to the # of African American Fighters (Do U DISagree???:dunno: )... Instead of Listing the Aforementioned "Boatload" of African-American Fighters w/SUPERIOR Athleticism to Taylor's, REED Did the WHITE Thing, Pointing Out Lighter Hued Brethren w/SUPERIOR Athleticism... Hatton, Litzau...Hell, Add Wlad Klit as Well...These Guys R BETTER Athletes than Quite a Few African Americans (to Varying Degrees), but their Athletic Ability Absolutely SHITs on Taylor's... For the Sake of BREVITY, REED listed White Fighters as Opposed to the "Boatload" of African-American Fighters... Got It??? REED
Yeah I get it. You wanted to highlight Taylors lack of athleticism by showing there are white guys with more athleticism. Because that really puts it in context. Shit, I knew that the first time. Why did you not just say that Taylors athleticism is shit, period??
CLEARLY, Bernard Hopkins HAS NOT Been the Same Fighter Since Probably 2001 (The Tito Fight)... Just Cause he's Mustered Up an Impressive Win or 2 DOESN'T All of a Sudden Make him VINTAGE Bernard Anymore:nono: ... Taylor Arguably LOST to a 40 Year Old Bernard, @ a Weight Bernard DIDN'T Need to Compete @ Anymore...That's Why Bernard MOVED UP 2 Weight Classes Afterwards... Not Really Sure WHAT U have Against Kelly Pavlik, but he's Simply BETTER than Jermain Taylor... DEAL w/It... REED
Then why bring Litzau and Hatton into it, unless you were looking for context. Why not just say "JT is a poor athlete"...we would have understood that. We know what poor athletes look like, black or otherwise.
MUCH... Pavlik is CONSIDERABLY More ACCURATE, CONTROLLED & PRECISE w/his Delivery... He's just SLOW... Just Cause Taylor's BLACK, Peeps ASSume he's "Athletic", "Fast", a "Good Boxer" & Whatnot...On the FLIPSIDE, just Cause Pavlik is WHITE, Peeps ASSume he's "Sloppy", a "Brawler" & "Can't Box"... Taylor has a HANDSPEED Advantage Over Pavlik (& that's ALL), but that DOESN'T Mean Taylor is "Fast"... REED
Because the Pool of "Athletic" White Fighters is Smaller than the Pool of "Athletic" Black Fighters... Did U MISS the Part where REED said "Boatloads"???...This is like 4th or 5th Time REED has Used the Word Now... REED:doh:
