Im not big on the 30's and 40's era fighters, but

I could tell that Joe Louis would kick the crap out of any heavyweight in history including prime Ali.

 

He could. But could he beat him with his fists under the associated rules of boxing commission's? JIM!!!

 

There are days I find watching Joe Louis prettier than boobies.

 

Do you prefer black-and-white boobies over modern ones too?

 

Not necessarily. Alexis Arguello and Ricrado Lopez' beckoning movements can be nearly as comely.

 

A spectacular fighter in any era, any language. He would honestly be my pick for any Head-to-Head fight in division history amongst the great champions, though there are a few fights which would prove mighty dicey (Ali, Foreman, & Liston come to mind especially).

He is almost literally perfect from an offensive standpoint.

 

He was great for his time and is without doubt one of the finest heavyweight champions to ever step between the ropes but he is far from invincible. There's a fair few fighters I'd pick to beat him.

 

So is Wladimir.

Problem is this is a defensive game too.

Joe Louis would take beatings from Ali, Klitschko, Lewis, and if Roy Jones has his A game with him, you can throw him in too.

 

Roy Jones beating Joe Louis at heavyweight is about as likely as Amir Khan beating Julian Jackson at 154.

 

Really? Billy Conn beating Joe Louis at Heavyweight is about as likely as......

........Roy, the night Louis took Conn lightly, could have turned the trick over 12.

 

Yea, what's your point?...

 

My point is it's absurdly unlikely.:dunno:

 

Nah......think about it......Joe Louis had slow feet.

Walcott, who was a fast man by the standards of the day but nowhere near as fast as Jones, made a mug out of Louis in their first fight. He won that fight but was robbed.

Roy would be a stylistic nightmare for Joe Louis, in much the same way Conn was.

 

Maybe. And Jones' feinting would cause a cerebral counter puncher like Louis a world of problems. But he's walking a life & death razors edge for 12, 15 rounds. This isn't John Ruiz.

I accept your point, but I think a properly motivated Louis lands hard once in 12/15 rounds.

 

Was kidding man, but still, I don't think it's beyond the realms of possibility a guy as talented as Jones could give Louis hell. Especially if a guy like Conn could

 

Roy would be like a constantly moving hornet being faced down by a pensive, hesitant, perfectionist pensioner wielding an old wooden tennis racket, you know....the ones with the mahogany frame and a head the size of a spoon.

Right about the time that Grand-Dad decides on what punch to throw, he realizes that the hornet has moved. A few minutes ago, too.

Sure, if Louis lands, hey, who knows. But it took a lot of Joe's leather to destroy Conn, and Billy, tough or not, was no more of legitimate heavyweight than Jones was. In fact, he fought Louis at a weight lower than what Jones campaigned at as a light-heavy.

 

What an astute description of Louis' offensive arsenal.::

I've conceded that Jones would be a stylistic problem for Louis. But nothing Jones showed against plodding Ruiz convinces me he can better Conn's effort. Ruiz had slow feet AND he sucked. And he didn't punch half as hard as Louis.

 

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It's not a description of Louis offensive skills, more a description of the blend of his mindset and what his otherwise fast hands would look like when faced by somebody of Jone's inordinate footspeed and leap-amateurism.

 

Im glad 'leap amateurism' is starting the permeate the fightbeat lexicon ::

I agree he'll look like that for periods, maybe long periods. That's the dynamic of the fight. But Louis would be measuring Jones and he'd be getting closer. He's got a vastly better sense of distance than somebody like Ruiz who is pretty much just 'shuffle leap and hold', if the guys slow enough to do it against, or 'shuffle leap and get smacked in the kisser' if it's a Jones, Toney or Haye.

Louis wouldn't be landing allot of hard shots, but it only has to happen once. The success Ruiz had with his irregular jab against the heavier Jones is also a cause for concern.

Louis KO 9.

 

Vitali and Lennox

 

With fighters like Louis, who were aesthetically pleasing to watch, it's easy to get fooled into thinking they were invincible. Especially if they didn't struggle much with any of the opponents they faced in their primes.

 

This is just as true

 

I don't think anybody thinks Louis was invincible. Everybody knows how Schmeling handled him the first time around.

What was impressive with him was how he made adjustments.

Joe was NOT a frontrunner.

Louis / Schmeling I was almost a carbon-copy of Tyson / Buster Douglas.

The difference in Tyson and Louis can be seen with what they did after these fights. Tyson fell apart at the slightest sign of mental difficulty, never came back in a fight he was losing (please keep Frans Botha out of this), never gained revenge against somebody he lost to.

Louis was given troubles the first time around by Schmeling, Arturo Godoy, Billy Conn and Jersey Joe Walcott. Louis sought immediate rematches every time (Conn was obviously delayed because of WWII). Joe beat them all pretty badly the second time around.

Nobody in boxing history was ever invincible, and we all know a "0" on your record at the end of your career only means you didn't challenge yourself enough, or you just knew the right time to quit.

 

This post does not enhance Floyd's legacy. :clapagain:

 

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I would NEVER go that far....but i know what you are trying to say and so i forgive you for this outlandish statement.

Louis had, perhaps, THE most beautiful boxing style in history.

 

Certainly not a lot of guys I'd pick to beat him... I would favor Ali because I like his mobility and handspeed, but he'd have to earn it no doubt

some of the more recent guys like Lennox or Vitali I would have to think beat him just because the difference in size is astronomical, and both are a whole lot better than Abe Simon or Buddy Baer, two behemoths Louis beat up

P4P, hes greater than either, but the literal 205 pound Louis dealing with these 240-250 pound, TALL, GOOD fighters (Lewis was damn near great, I think everyone would at least agree on that much) is a pipe dream to me, about as realistic as Ricardo Lopez beating Julio Cesar Chavez

to give a more accurate comparison in size, ask yourself this question: is there any Cruiserweight ever who you think Joe Louis couldn't whup?

 

agree, that was some funny shit from Irish
JIM!!!

 

Louis could have bulked up if he needed to, given the present style of fighting. He had a decent sized frame to work with. He was no smaller then Tyson or Holyfield.

That said, yes. Lennox and Vitali would pose stylistic nightmares for him, as would plenty of other guys................as he would for most of them.