Iron Boy Wins Again!

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  1. StingerKarl

    StingerKarl Ace Degenerate

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    The best pure boxer in our sport does it yet once again, and came off the floor to win.
    Thoughts?
     
  2. Haymaker

    Haymaker WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    I'll repost from the other thread:

    Summary of the fight:

    Calderon put a virtuoso boxing clinic throughout the first 7 rounds
    In the 8th, Cazares hurts him and drop him, Calderon gets on the bike
    until the bell saves him, Calderon still on the bike throughout the 9th, recovering his legs. 10th through 12th Calderon continues the boxing clinic.

    Calderon wins by split decision, Cazares cries robbery :lol:

    BTW, it was a GREAT card, very entertaining fights. All except the calderon fight ended by KO. ELECTRIFYING athmosphere inside the colosseum. If you guys never been in a PR fight card, please do it someday before you die, you won't forget it ever.
     
  3. crold1

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    Here's my Thoughts SK

    Calderon Proves He is Among the Game’s Best

    By Cliff Rold

    On paper, it was the best fight at 108 lbs. since the mid-90s heyday of Michael Carbajal and Humberto Gonzalez. To the delight of boxing fans lucky enough to see it on a hard to find Dish Network pay-per-view offering, it turned out to be every bit that good in the ring.

    Before a packed house of approximately 13,000 rabid fight fans at the Coliseo Ruben Rodriguez in Bayamon, Puerto Rico, 31-year old Ivan Calderon (29-0, 6 KO, 107.7 lbs., Ring Magazine #1 at 105 lbs.) of Guaynabo, Puerto Rico captured the Ring Magazine World junior flyweight championship by split decision from 29-year old Hugo Cazares (29-0, 6 KO, 107.7 lbs.) of Los Mochis, Sinaloa, Mexico in a spirited, dramatic affair on Saturday night. It was the first loss for Cazares, winner of his sixteen previous fights, since December of 1999.

    Calderon also captured Cazares’ WBO belt in the division.

    While visibly much smaller than a champion who is known to blow up to as much as 126 lbs. prior to fights with the advantage granted by day-before-fight weigh-ins, Calderon showed no fear in taking it to Cazares throughout the first two rounds. Calderon led with right uppercuts and short straight lefts to keep his foe off balance. Darting in and out and side to side, Calderon left Cazares missing and chasing the smaller man. A hard left from Cazares near the close of the second led to a brief clinch before Calderon reset and resumed control.

    Read the Rest at: http://www.boxingscene.com/index.php?m=show&id=10055
     
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    Ugotabe Kidding WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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  5. Haymaker

    Haymaker WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    Karl, I saw hints of Pernell Whitaker and Lil' Floyd in Calderon's style, do you agree? I totally agree with your statement, Calderon is easily one of the best pure boxers out there today...
     
  6. Hex-One

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    My cousin who was been watching boxing for over 20 years said the same thing. Calderon is special!
     
  7. pug

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    He will NEVER be Ricardo Lopez, Michael Carbajal or Chiquita Gonzales and I have been watching boxing for 25 years
     
  8. Tam Tam

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    Michael Carbajal? Chiquita Gonzalez? Those are two of my all-time fave fighters (and of most people), but they were not without huge flaws themselves and I wouldn't have an issue with fans picking Calderon over Carbajal in any MM.

    Michael was terribly predictable.
     
  9. Jake

    Jake WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    Saying he won't ever beat three Hall of Famers is supposed to mean... what, exactly? :lol:

    He didn't have to beat any of those guys last night. All he had to do was beat Hugo Cazares, who quite frankly is probably better (and certainly a hell of a lot bigger and stronger) than anyone Lopez had fought up to the same point in his career as I/B is now.
     
  10. pug

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    I just think that Calderon may be over hyped now since he beat Cazares, I seen MAJOR flaws and just think that he needs to work on before anyone starts calling him "Special".
    BTW- Lopez didnt win a belt until his 31st fight and Calderon has been a champ for a while so yes, Cazares is prob better than anyone that Lopez fought before his title so that shouldnt make a difference.

    All of the guys that I mentioned earlier were special, Calderon imho just doesnt fit that bill yet and imho never will, he is a good fighter but far from special.
     
  11. StingerKarl

    StingerKarl Ace Degenerate

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    I agree with you guys about the Whitaker comparisions, and we picked Calderon as last year's most underrated fighter.
    I am going to watch the highlights on Republica Deportiva as Cliff's report has got me wanting to see this fight.
     
  12. crold1

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    Pug: Calderon has been known as a high quality guy for a while and beat a guy last night who probably outweighed by two if not four weight classes in the ring. Not just any guy either; Cazares is a very good fighter. That wouldn't lead to an overrate.

    Karl: If you can, get the undercard too. Excellent stuff. I really hope that Calderon faces Cazares or Solis in the fall. Considering that GBP and Top Rank are working together in Novemeber, Calderon-Solis could support Mosley-Cotto. It would be a great match at a price that doesn't make it prohibitive. If not, GBP is going Hatton-PBF and a rematch with Cazares could happen there.
     
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    That sounds like classic prejudice. Not in the terms of race or any other inflammatory nonsense, but the literal "pre-judge" definition. In other words, you know what you look for in a fighter and if you don't "see it" then they are automatically demoted in your mind. I don't agree with that.
     
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    I just saw the highlights, and it looks like Ivan may have gotten away with one there as he tackled the guy a couple of times when he was holding on for dear life when he could have had points deducted for that.
    The corner was also taking their time replacing the tape in between rounds, and it looked like they were allowed to work on him also which is grounds for a disqualification.
    It looked like perhaps if that fight were held in Vegas and not Calderon's hometown, we may have had a different result last night.
    I haven't seen the fight yet, but it sure looked like favoritism played a part in that one.
    Ivan won, he proved himself, and now it's time for him to move on.
    He said he may rematch him in November or December, which may be a big mistake on Ivan's part and he needs to forget about this guy, he already beat him and he has nothing else to prove.
    He did a Pep vs. Saddler rematch as he outpointed a bigger, harder hitting opponent and took his title.
    Congrats, Champ!:bears:
    Ivan has a smokin' hot boriqua wife as well, so move on and fight other people Ivan, you've nothing left to prove with Cazares.
     
  15. crold1

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    Not to mention that he did something Lopez never did: he stepped up in weight to face a guy who had the potential to beat him. I know it's vouge to say that Lopez was ducked but that's not entirely true. I've heard from some very good sources that it was Lopez who turned down career high $ for Carbajal (well, actually, I heard Beristain turned it down which make it believable).

    Karl: That was the second time he was hurt in the 8th; the first time he was stunned, he clinched like anyone would and Cazares hip tossed him which made him more hurt. Cazares could have lost a point there but didn't so it rubs out. The tape thing could have been big, but Calderon had just cleanly won the previous two rounds so I don't know if it was that big.
     
  16. crold1

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    BTW, the TV guys said last night that Cazares was 130 lbs. in the ring. Wow.
     
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    He looked to be A LOT bigger than Calderon, and Ivan needs to forget all about this guy as I don't think he'll win outside of Puerto Rico.
     
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    It looked like he was allowed to hold excessively.
     
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    Those are highlights on pro-Mexican TV. There really wasn't much holding in the fight outside of Calderon trying not to go down in the 8th. Didn't work obviously.
     
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    Thanks, Cliff.
    I gotta see that one in it's entirety.
     
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    Indeed. I do agree though that Calderon should not mess with Cazares again. Cazares needs to go up to 115 and fight guys his own size.
     
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    Hex-One "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    Word is Cazares was @ 130 fightnight! HE was much bigger and stronger than Calderon.
     
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    How IRONIC...

    The Same Guys that Call Floyd Mayweather "Fraud" R NOW on Calderon's NUTS for Fighting like Floyd...

    Nice!!!...


    REED:rolleyes:
     
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    The TV announcers stated that early and Fightnews is alleging the same. That actually increases my appreciation for what Calderon did to survive 7-9 and still come back firing in 10 and 11. If he was a more flat footed boxer like Pernell, he might not have survived.
     
  25. Hex-One

    Hex-One "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    :nono: There is a major difference here! Calderon lets his hands go! He dosent pot shot for 12 rounds like your stupid hero.
     
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    Please bitch, Calderon barely threw a punch after the 7th round. You'll never see Floyd holding like that either. Say what you want about "fraud" but he stands his ground when he has to and never looks like a gazelle being hunted by a lion.

    That being said, I'm not one to hate on another fighter just because some idiots are on his nuts. I had last night fight a draw and Ivan fought like he had to, he was in there with a much bigger, stronger guy. I don't think he wins a rematch in Vegas with Cazares choice of gloves. (they didn't allow him to wear puncher's gloves)

    I saw the fight with and Ricardo Lopez was a commentator, he was frustrated to see Cazares leading with hooks and right hands, he kept saying he had to start with the jab, you kind of had the sense he knew how he would beat Calderon.
     
  27. REEDsART

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    Floyd "Potshotted" Against DeLa & Baldomir but that ISN'T the Norm:nono:

    N Fact,from the N'Dou Fight UNTIL he Fought Baldomir,Floyd WASN'T "Pot Shotting" @ All...

    But U're Right,there IS a Major Difference N Floyd & Calderon...Floyd has FOUR TIMES as Many KO's...Calderon has 6:lol: ....Floyd had that Many By his 10th Fight or So...

    YOUR Hero COULDN'T Break Tissue Paper w/his Punch...He Makes Sweet Pea Whittaker Look like Wilfredo Gomez...

    Anyways,REED just Wanted to Point Out the HYPOCRISY of your Ways...When Floyd Does it,he's a "Fraud"...But when Calderon Exhibits FloydESQUE Qualities,YOU Get GIDDY about it & Call him "Special"...

    REED:cool:
     
  28. steve_dave

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    Calderon has had some DREADFUL fights. I haven't seen this one yet... I'll watch is later today or tomorrow night. But even if this fight is good, it doesn't change the fact that Calderon fights are almost always hard on the eyes.

    There isn't much worse than having to sit through a Calderon title defense on a PPV undercard.
     
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    Calderon is a very good boxer. HOWEVER, it is fucking stupid to criticize Floyd for how he fights while praising Calderon. Floyd has had a lot more exciting fights than Calderon has. Floyd is an all around better fighter than Calderon as well.
     
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    anybody know a good place to download fights? where I might be able to find this one? I can't wait to see this fight. :cheer:
     

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