Is Floyd's shoulder roll enough to withstand Manny's attack?

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  1. Haymaker

    Haymaker WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    I don't know how effective would it be against pac. I mean, even Clottey received punishment with his hands up. discuss.
     
  2. Double L

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    Pacquiao could penetrate PBF's shoulder defense by using angles and orbiting PBF like a hornet.
     
  3. Slice N Dice

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    I was thinking that too, and I just have this image of Floyd thinking he is at the right distance and Manny just darting in and snapping Floyds head back. And then this process being repeated. Maybe he won't land as many combinations as normal but he will get enough single, eye catching shots through. I think Manny definitely has the key to unlock that defence
     
  4. Haymaker

    Haymaker WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    Floyd can't stand and shoulder rool his way to a UD. he will have to fight on his toes and try to discourage Manny. I dunno if he still has the legs to do that for 12 full rounds at such a pace.
     
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    Shane is stronger than Manny and Floyd walked through him. I think he does the same to Pac, but it does not look like we will ever see it.
     
  6. Haymaker

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    But can he avoid his punches SF?
     
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    Floyd doesnt have the reflexes that he had a few years ago, and I think that'd show up vs Manny.
     
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    None of Pacs opponents after Marquez had good defence and he couldn't get off as easily against marquez as he has after.
     
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    Manny is a south paw so it makes it a little trickier
     
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    After that performance vs margarito, pac surely would prove too much to handle for floyd
     
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    Beating a washed up Margarito who fights much differently to Floyd fights has shown you that?
     
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    Floyd has the best defense yes, but no matter how good a defense he has, with the amount of punches Pac throws, he'll surely get through enough and hurt Floyd won't he? What Floyd did show us tho vs Mosley, that when badly hurt, was his ability to respond to it.
    Pac showed us tho that he can hurt the bigger man and showed good punch resistance too.
    Can Floyd rely on a few counter punches each round for 12 rounds and win a decision? I imagine he'll have to actually fight.
     
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    Too simplistic a question.

    Floyd wont be just shoulder rolling..he'd also be counter-punching off the shoulder roll with fast crisp and accurate attacks. It's the combination of his defense and offense that would be effective against Pac..who is quite hittable, let's not forget.
     
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    ILLUMINATI Roberto Duran

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    Mayweather is going to have to do more than shoulder roll and throw 40 punches a round if he wants to be competitive vs. Pacquiao...
     
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    FUCK!

    I hope this fight comes off...I really do.

    You fucks said the same thing about Hopkins vs Pavlik..Pavlik was a guy who threw a hell of alot of punches and Hopkins would throw about 20 per round....and as such the consensus was the Pavlik would overwhelm Bernard with activity...and I told y'all that Hopkins' style limits the punch output of his opponent. Same with mayweather's! Manny Pacquiao will NOT have anywhere near the workrate against mayweather than he had against stationary hittable targets like Clottey and Margarito.

    Floyd will be punishing Manny with crisp counters and then defending again..

    SHiiiiiiiiit...don't you guys know anything about this sport?
     
  16. Buddy Rydell

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    Agreed. Floyd would win a lopsided decision.
     
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    WHat bothers Pac is volume punching and fast accurate jabs. Floyd has one of those but not both. Shoulder Roll? Sausage roll.
     
  18. ILLUMINATI

    ILLUMINATI Roberto Duran

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    The fucking fight has to happen.....


    Pacquiao has never fought anyone with the skill set of Floyd Mayweather jr...

    and

    Floyd has never fought anyone with the skill set of Pacquiao...the closest thing is Judah amd we all know Judah is a 4 round fighter...and isn't 1/10 the fighter/boxer Pacquiao is...
     
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    Thats around the amount of punches that JMM threw
     
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    If you think Floyd wins a lop sided decision, you don't know boxing.

    They are the 2 best fighters in the sport. It is pretty much guaranteed to be a close decision either way.

    I pick Pacquiao by decision close but clear. If Floyd wins, it's going to be by close, safety first decision.

    It's not going to be a lop sided fight either way, that much is obvious.
     
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    I hope this fight comes off just so I can make a killing if the retards have made Pacquiao the favourite.
     
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    ILLUMINATI Roberto Duran

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    Yeah I don't see Mayweather getting off the canvas when Pacquiao lands on him.....
     
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    I hope this fight comes off so you lose your money, and I can see what retarded excuses you make after Manny does the business on Flid.
     
  24. Ramonza Soliloquies

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    There is hardly a single area in which the current Mosley surpasses Pacquiao. Where? Maybe chin?

    Pacquiao is ten times the fighter Mosley is today.
     
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    ridiculous
     
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    Thinking otherwise is ridiculous.
     
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    its a fight. anything can happen. mayweather jr could outbox the guy and win 9 rounds. pacquiao could outwork him and win every round. pacquiao could hurt him early and stop him. pacquiao could wear him down and stop him late. mayweather jr could be losing and gradually begin to time pacquiao and stop him late.

    a close decision either way is hardly guaranteed, mexican shirt
     
  28. mexican wedding shirt

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    That's why I said "pretty much" guaranteed.

    It's boxing, anything can happen, and sometimes strange things do happen in boxing.

    One of them could even land a perfect punch in round 1 and KO the other guy.

    But if any fight between top fighters is going to be close, it's this one. Looking at their styles etc.

    They are both skillful, both fast, both can move, both can box. Floyd is bigger and has better defense and more physical strength, Pacquiao is faster, hits harder, and is more unpredictable. Significantly, Manny also has a much higher workrate, and probably better stamina.

    I think they both have very solid chins.

    Taking all that into account, predicting a lopsided decision either way is illogical. They are going to be pretty evenly matched, similar to a matchup like Morales Barrera or Martinez Tall Paul, only stylistically different.
     
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    He will get hit, but not often. The real question is can he take it and come back if he is hurt.
     
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    Are you comparing Pavlik to Pacquiao? :jaw:
     

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