Is Mosley a HOF'er?

This is not meant as a reaction entirely to the other night. Its obvious he is winding down and that its unlikely he will win as many fights against elite competition as he loses from this point onwards...at this point, is he a sure fire HOF'er?
As much as I like him, I'm not sure he is, opinions?
This isn't as much a will he get in thread, more a should he get in...

 

Yes. No doubt.
Shane jumped up from Lightweight (decent reign there) and beat Oscar at Welterweight. He also "beat" Oscar to win the 154lb title. He deserves it without a doubt.

 

Of course he should.

 

I don't really think there's much debate about this.

 

What kinda question is? OF COURSE he is!

 

Shane should be in by recent standards. He was a top fighter in the sport for about a 10-year stretch. His lightweight accomplishments and the fact that he was a 3-division champ are enough, in my opinion.

In MY perfect world, Shane would be borderline. I personally think HOF criteria should be much tougher in nearly all sports. It seems like anyone who was considered a superstar at ANY point in their careers gets into the Hall. I think it should be reserved for the ELITE of the sport.

 

Just to play devil's advocate, who did Oscar beat at 154 to show he was a dominant guy at the weight other than vargas? Oscar is a HOF'er all things considered but Mosely beat the same guy to be welterweight and superwelter champ...if Forrest had beaten Mosley at 154 after the de la hoya victory, would he then be a possible HOF'er?

 

I agree he should make it, not first ballot, as a matter of interest, mostly based on what AZ cat just mentioned, that he has been elite at a number of divisions for an extended period of time..

 

He was sure hof er years ago

 

Yes, next question?

 

my thoughts exactly.

 

SLAM DUNK FIRST BALLOT.
If that chaps your asses, work with it, deal with it, and accept it.
I will bet anyone here a steak dinner that he gets in first ballot.
Karl

 

Who would want to eat with you? You'd probably take off a hand if they got to close to your plate.

 

Well, Oscar did beat Castillejo for the WBC belt before he fought Vargas, unifying two of the belts. You can argue for Winky since he had the IBF belt but Vargas 3 years earlier had at least officially beat Winky.

 

Shane will be a first ballot HOFer.

 

agreed completely

 

Shane WILL & SHOULD Get In...

He was THE DOMINANT Lightweight of his Era, he JUMPED UP 2 Weight Classes to Beat DeLa, then Won a Title @ 154...

Shane's 1 of the ELITE Fighters of his Particular Era, he was Ranked # 1 In the WORLD Lb 4 Lb for a Period of Time & he's Had SEVERAL PPV Bouts...

He's BEATEN John-John Molina, Phillip Holiday (when that MEANT Something), Jesse James Leija, Wilfredo Rivera, DeLa (2x), Antonio Diaz & Vargas...

& he's Fought Vernon Forrest, Winky Wright & Cotto...

The BODY of Shane's Work is Definitely Hall of Fame Worthy in REED's Opinion...


REED

 

ONe of the more impressive feats of Mosley's career is jumping from lightweight to welterweight (a two division jump)and winning a title.

That feat has only been accomplished by Roberto Duran.

 

:nono: Henry Armstrong did it; going straight from lightweight to fight Barney Ross for the WWT title in his next fight....and he still only weighed 133 lbs. to do it.

He then made the jump from WWT to Middleweight (after a few more fights at welter) and should have won that fight vs. Garcia.

Remember - it's only a "two division jump" because of the creation of 140, which is fairly recent historically speaking.

Before that - ALL fighters had to go from 135 to 147 directly.

Peace.

 

Good post. :bears:

 

dsimon writes:

Good Post.

 

Good post, "however"

Shane represented the elite of the sport during his prime and at at 36, how many other fighters could have done what he did last Saturday?

In a perfect world, there's absolutely nothing borderline about Mosley. It's like saying Charles Barkley is "borderline" at making the Hall of Fame.

 

you know what's phonetap is going to say...::

 

I'm wondering if by "borderline", people mean he's a borderline 1st Ballot HOF'er, or borderline entrant. I understand az cat's post, that there should be far less entries in EVERY Hall of Fame, as none seem to no longer represent the truly best of their respective sport.

By today's standards, Shane is a shoo in to eventually get in no later than his 3rd or 4th year of eligibility, though I believe he falls short in terms of 1st Ballot Entry.

 

Agreed

 

here's the test of your values/theory. is trinidad a 1st timer in your opinion? ::

 

Judging his career as a whole and on its own, no, I wouldn't classify him as a 1st ballot entry. I'd say he's closer to it than is Shane, but neither one is a 1st Ballot entry if it were solely up to me.

But that said, I can see Tito getting in on the 1st try.

 

Oops my bad bro.

I read that in article around 2000, I guess it didn't have all the facts correct.

 

If that's the case, then almost no one from that era is deserving. Lemmon, Holyfield, Roy would be about it. Tyson wouldn't qualify nor would Oscar who lost (three times) to Trinidad and Mosley.

 

I'm going to ignore the part about Tyson and let you think on that for a minute.

Scoreboard hurts Oscar, but what helps his cause is that not only did he compete at the top level for a decade or so, but for the past few years has also served as a the face of boxing. Like it or not, that gets factored into fighters getting voted in.

Shane was "just" among the best during his prime, and quite honestly, there's only mid-1997 onward to base his career on, because his pre-title level of comp was bottom of the barrel. His run at the top ended in Jan 2002, which gives us a 4 1/2 year window to work with.

During that time, he reigned as LW champ, was dominant but also "just" assumed that he was the best. Never unified, never attempted to unify.

He was regarded as among the best, but never separating himself from the pack. His welterweight reign was Oscar, and title defenses against ho-hum competition before running into Vernon. From Jan 2002 to March 2005, his only win came in controversial fashion, against Oscar. 1-4, 1NC in a three year stretch. Hardly enhancing HOF status.

Noteriety? Zero outside of the sport of boxing.

Shane was a great fighter, great enough to where he'll eventually get into the HOF.

I just can't see how he DESERVES to go in the first try.