Jermain Taylor vs Felix Trinidad @ 160

Who wins and why?

 

I tend to lean towards pre-pavlik Taylor (the confident one) by mid KO.

Post-Pavlik get's knocked out eventually.

 

Totally depends what happens when Tito lands really. I think I'd lean towards Trinidad, but its basically a toss up.

 

Trinidad with the same wraps he had against Joppy, knocks Taylor's head off. The Trinidad who faced Hopkins? Having had his hands wrapped with careful scrutiny? He loses a decision, if not a late round stoppage.

 

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God help me I'm picking Trinidad in a mythical matchup. The Hopkins that schooled Trinidad would have beat Taylor convincingly. Taylor caught Hopkins at the right time.

I think Taylor would be winning the fight but he'd gas and Trinidad would hammer him.

 

Taylor's hand-speed is what allowed him to beat Hopkins. This means he would've beaten even the Hopkins that beat Trinidad.

To say that Taylor beat Hopkins because he got him at the right time, when Hopkins would go on to beat Pavlik, Tarver, go tooth and nail with Calzaghe, and then beat Pascal, is simply ridiculous and not fair at all to Taylor.

 

coming to the conclusion that an extra millimeter of gauze or whatever the fuck Hopkins' people "observed" is somehow analogous to what Margarito was caught trying to do or what Luis Resto did is simply ridiculous

 

In Double L's world those things are comparable. Lol.


But in all seriousness, I would take the Trinidad who LOST to Hopkins to beat the living hell outta Taylor.

I think he stops him late or convincingly UD's him.

 

Taylor's speed troubled Hopkins but Hopkins own inactivity and age is what cost him those fights. And Pavlik and the rest were at 170(WTF??) and 175 lbs.

Boxing and A-B-C logic don't equate most of the time. Taylor got stopped by Pavlik who was humiliated by Hopkins and Taylor had a hard fight and draw against Winky but Hopkins beat him.

Taylor was big, athletic and had talent but he also was a bit chinny against big punchers and his stamina was spotty. And when he tired his boxing IQ went bye bye. I think he got hit too much and was just too vulnerable to beat Trinidad.

 

I'm not relying on A-B-C logic. I'm relying on sound logic which dictates that since Hopkins went on to have long-term success following his losses to Taylor, that he couldn't possibly be shot or done as you've attempted to paint him in his loss to Taylor.

If anything, I'd argue that it's A-B-C logic you've fallen victim to, which dictates that you can't possibly give credit to Taylor for a win over a good fighter like Hopkins because Taylor subesquently lost all of his important fights, and because of A-B-C, this means he couldn't possibly have beaten a Hopkins who was at the top of his game.

 

It wasn't gauze dumb-fuck. It was tape, which applied illegally can be every bit as dense as plaster.

And it is analogous to what Resto and Margarito did, whether you want to believe it or not.

Watch Trinidad/Joppy and tell me his gloves weren't loaded as shit in that fight.

I was a huge Trinidad fan. I used to love watching him fight. But as tough as it's been for me to accept, the guy was a cheater, and probably had it not been for his wraps, he never would've achieved what he did in the sport.

 

1) oh, is that so?? Explain that, how does it work? What are the actual details of how his hands were actually wrapped?

2) yeah a vague dispute about how a layer of tape was wrapped is equivalent to removing the padding from a glove to make it essentially a tightly wrapped pair of leather knuckles or applying a substance that turns the knuckles into concrete... sure , easy to see that one

3) well, unlike you, I lack X-ray vision, so this is impossible... What I see is a guy who always was a major puncher teeing off on a fighter who idiotically assumed that he could get away with the enormous strategic mistake of standing right in front of him

 

Not even close.

No comparison at all with Trinidad's situation to Margarito and Resto.

Trinidad was accused of using a little more guaze and tape than what was supposedly allowed. Thats nothing more than an ABRASION against the rules and its not gonna make a difference in punching power if you apply a little more extra guaze and tape to a fighter's hands..... If thats such a big secret, more boxing trainers would be up on it but they're not because its inconsequential and trivial.

Margarito downright had a foreign object in his gloves. He had an actual BLOCK of plaster in both of his knuckle pads.

Resto had the padding of his gloves stripped out completely so he could use bare fists basically.

I don't see where you can wrap your head around comparing those situations to Trinidad's.

 

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Watch any devastating KO ever and tell me those gloves weren't loaded you fucking shitcan!

 

Illegal Wraps!!! Illegal Wraps!!! Illegal Wraps!!!

:scared: :scared: :scared: :scared:

 

:laughing:

 

You guys are all delusional when it comes to Trinidad. Watch Trinidad/Joppy and then pop in Trinidad/Mayorga. And tell me his gloves were kosher against the chip-munk. If you do those things, in earnest, and come back and tell me you still don't think it made a difference, then we can put the issue to rest and simply conclude that you're too stupid to see the truth. As it is, you get the benefit of the doubt that you're just not paying attention.

 

Joppy drop his hand expecting not to get hit by a left hook/right/left hook combo went to the ground.....

Mayorga drop his hands ate two left hooks, but was a bit wobble by punches at the end of the round...


If anything let look at Trinidad immediate fight after Hopkins...against Cheriffi...drop him two or three times with simple left hooks and a right hand...against Mayorga Trinidad was coming from a few years in RETIREMENT...

 

It's easy to take shots when you brace yourself for them the way Mayorga did during that ridiculous bit of showboating in the opening round... apparently, you were convinced that it was noteworthy "evidence"

Joppy got caught NOT expecting to get hit, not standing there with his jaw clenched and his neck muscles rigid doing a bit of showmanship... all the difference in the world

 

The left-hook Tito dropped Hippy with was horribly thrown and landed with virtually no leverage behind it and yet it was as if he'd been electrocuted. Tito landed plenty of right hands against Mayorga, like the one that finally finished Jolly, which by the way wasn't unexpected on the part of Hippy.

 

:: This guy is wasted

 

*sigh* Ive been given up on Double.......


Anyway, Tito would have knocked out the black hick.

Taylor had too many technical flaws, not enough defense, and not enough chin to beat Tito.

 

Not a lot in it, but I think Id favour Taylor. Much more proven at the weight.

 

Obviously Tito fought better versions of Hops & Winky, but......it'd be the biggest 'styles make fights' reversal I can think of for Tito to beat Taylor

 

I've got a big styles makes fights reversal for you:

Taylor-Hopkins-Pavlik

Hopkins presents problems that Taylor can't even dream of but for some reason Tayor's style troubles Hopkins.

 

Yeah fair shout. Just since the topic's (kinda) been brought up, the difference in Hopkins' speed on the trigger, intensity and activity between say 1999 and the Taylor fight is pretty big.

He certainly hasn't been 'ageless', his style just cushioned the fall really well.

 

Agreed. Hopkins was just sch a master (underrated master) that even when he slows down and loses stamina and chin..he's still world class. Shows you what a great and underappreciated fighter he must have been in his prime and that the 20 defenses was not just the result of a weak era.

 

They fucking were

 

You have an appalling taste in boxeo you Khan lover, you.