Jermain Taylor Wants Rematch With Pavlik?

So says Fightnews and a couple other sources...

Does anyone think this is a good idea?

I''ll answer later, but I give Jermain credit for wanting this rematch ASAP. It shows cojones to jump back in with a guy who KO'd you like that.

 

:bears: to Jermaine Taylor for his attitude and guts.


But I don't think it's a good idea and I think his management should try to steer him away from a rematch so soon.

 

Well he almost KOed the guy himself so it may be a good idea. Bottomline is that IF Jermaine is ever going to be taken seriously again, he HAS to rematch Pavlik and defeat him soundly.

So I think he has no choice...

 

I disagree. i think he could easily reestablish himself at 168 with wins over credible competition. however, if he's going to cash out (or salvage) his HBO contract, he has no choice but to face Pavlik again. same reason Forrest rematched Mayorga. same reason Mosley rematched Forrest.

 

Bottom line. For your sake, I hope your post is hyperbole.

 

It's not losing to Pavlik, per se, and it's not even the fact he got knocked out...it's the fact that this fight was preceded by a highly criticized series of fights in which most people felt he lost both times to Hopkins, to Wright and struggled with guys they felt he shouldn't have struggled with.

Pavlik was his opportunity to bring back respectability to his reign, and he loses.

So, for him to flee to 168lbs or fight someone else, doesn't help his case. He has to man up and fight Pavlik again...and if he reverses that loss...he's right back on top (like Lewis was after defeating Raham in the rematch).

So based on all of this....what's wrong with my position?

 

I'm not so sure that Mosley was trying to cash out, and I don't think Forrest was either. When I think "cash out", it means to get a payday because you're on your way out, or you want to get money before being ruined. I'm not so sure it was that way for either of those fellows; they wanted to redeem themselves (and I think Forrest thought he would win as Taylor likely thinks right now...Shane maybe not so much), and I believe that is the reason for Taylor's willingness to step back in so quickly.

 

i just mean he's got one more fight with HBO (more if he can win the rematch).

 

I actually held Mosley (Forrest rematch and Winky rematch) and Forrest in higher esteem because they DIDN'T have to take immediate rematches, but their fighter's pride forced them to.

I don't have a problem with it and I'd give Jermain a chance at beating Pavlik.

The bottom line is, Taylor could take the easy rehabiliation road but a fight with Pavlik means he's uninterested in doing so. We'd see a rematch of a highly entertaining fight so as fight fans, we should welcome it just like we welcomed the rematch between Vazquez and Marquez and Castillo vs Corrales.

 

Agreed.

Truthfully the fight was competitive, and Taylor almost won in the 2nd. I personally had Taylor a point up at the time of the stoppage....many would disagree...but the point is that it was a closely contested fight that IS winnable for Taylor in a rematch.

My money would be on Pavlik though, as i don't think Jermaine would have the confidence. He may just "bitch up" like Roy Jones did in the rematch (third fight) with Tarver....

 

"Game Quitter" as that insufferable cunt Ron Borges would say.

 

Borges is as much of a plagarizer as he is insufferable.

 

taylor can get KOed again and fight on HBO in his very next fight as long as the opponent is somewhat credible. there's no telling what happens after that.

 

Good for Jermain. Ironically this is still Jermain's best chance of that convincing knockout him and his people have been looking for the last few years.

It might just be him again but props to him for taking that chance.

 

Jermain should just stick with his initial plan of moving up to 168 and then take on middleweights.

 

Good for him for showing guts, but it's a bad choice.

After the fight, he basically said that everything was in his favor coming into the fight. He had a perfect camp. A perfect gameplan. He said he could never envision using a different strategy. He basically gave up and said he's #2.

I think Pavlik wins a convincing UD or late stoppage.

 

Actually, he said that he made a tactical error by punching himself out after hurting Pavlik. If he'd stuck to the jab and body punching, he would've won.

 

correct me if i'm wrong, but wasn't taylor under exclusive HBO contract? and if so, doesn't that mean he has one fight left on the contract unless he can win the rematch? and if so, isn't it his only option if he's going to continue to make $2-$3 mil a fight in an empty arena?

 

The HBO contracts traditionally guaranteed a certain amount per fight as long as you kept winning. if you lost, there were provisions written into the contract where you'd come back at a reduced fee.

It seems like the guy who win would essentially pick up the options or remainder of the contract except HBO would label it as a "new" deal with that guy. Either way, they were out of the same amount of money.

That's just my opinion.

 

Well defended.

I still think he could go on to a great career without ever seeing Pavlik in the ring again, but no problem with the points you make here.

 

the error prevented him from finishing off Pavlik, he claims. but it's not like it cost him the whole fight. plus, it's unlikely that Taylor will be able to hurt Pavlik the way he did - that was as much due to Pavlik's carelessness as it was Taylor's punches.

 

Sure, Jermain NEEDS a RE w/Pavlik to "Restore" Himself, but Not an IMMEDIATE 1, Necessarily:nono: ...

Jermain Should take a Tune-Up Early Next Year, the Go for the Pavlik RE by Next Summer...If Pavlik has "Blown Up" Enough by Then, Taylor II could B PPV Worthy...

REED would HEAVILY Favor Pavlik, No Matter WHEN the RE Takes Place, but REED Could See Taylor Getting Stopped Fairly EARLY (4-5) in an IMMEDIATE Bout...

Bad Move BUSINESS Wise, if Taylor's NEXT Fight is Against Kelly Pavlik...



REED

 

disagREED...

There's NO WAY Taylor can Hope to have a "Great Career" if he NEVER Faces Kelly Pavlik Again...

It would Take a BOATLOAD of Hypotheticals, for Taylor to Do That...


REED

 

Taylor's convinced he can beat Pavlik. A lot of the fans are, too. Why risk that in a tuneup that he'll probably look like shit?

 

Valid Point...

But REED Thinks there's a REAL Chance of a "Deer in the Headlights" Performance, if Taylor DOESN'T Sneak In a Confidence Builder 1st...



REED

 

I have the same opinion. It's rarely a good thing to have an immediate rematch with someone who just knocked you out.

It was the first official loss of Jermain's career, it's not like his careeris over. If he takes one intermediate match before facing Pavlik again i don't see how people could complain.

 

Baloney.

Two easy ones:

Pavlik starts losing.

or

Taylor cleans up and dominates 168 and later 175.

 

Taylor gave Bernard an imediate rematch even though he got the win. so I'm not surpised he wants an inmediate rematch with pavlik.

I know alot of peple don't like Taylor but I never understood that punk attitude he was labeled with.:dunno:

I think Pavlik will stop him again but Taylor should try to avenge his loss. Especially since he came close to stopping Pavlik himself.

 

That's an IMPROBABLE Hypothetical...

So Taylor's Gonna "Clean Up & Dominate" Calzaghe, Kessler, Miranda, Green, Tarver, Dawson, Lacy, Hopkins AGAIN or a COMBINATION of these Fighters???:dunno: ...

He would have to B IMPRESSIVE Against 4 or 5 of those Names, to Make "Greatness" a Possibility...

if, If, IF REED's Aunt Had a DICK, she'd B REED's Uncle...


REED

 

And yet you think ONLY beating Pavlik will make him great?