JMM calls out Pac in the Phillipines

http://www.youtube.com/v/mmn2leWjqVM&color1=0x234900&color2=0x4e9e00&hl=en

 

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looks like JMM is either break dancing, getting ready to give birth, or is trying to entice manny for some spooning action

 

Wow Pac looked a bit flustered there. Give him the rematch!

 

Manny just wants to move up already. I'm sure if JMM moves up, he'd take the fight.

 

Exactly, Manny looks drained and tight at 130. If JMM wants the rematch he should make a case by beating someone (I vote he fight Joan Guzman asap). If he beats Guzman, he should have a good case for a Pac rematch.

I mean seriously, Marquez doesn't have any marquee wins except a close decision victory against an ancient Barrera (who Pac blitzed 4 years before) where he was dropped and hurt BADLY.

Marquez is the Edison Miranda of the 130 pound division. ::

 

dude your in fucking denial.

Both fights with JMM and pacquiao are close and controversial. Their last fight broke records in ppv sales below the 147 division. Manny didn't sell that much with Morales or Barrera who have always been bigger draws than Marquez.

Their last fight is a fight of the year candidate. Normally those are all reasons people wanna make another fight. Arum and pacquiao are actually running away from their biggest payday and a competitive fight::

Is not like Pacquiao is moving up to fight Campbell who is the man at 135. He is fighting a punching bag in Diaz.:: I guess whatever makes Pacquiao look better :laughing:

 

Hey give him credit thats 2 fights in a row where he isn't fighting a guy coming off a loss.

 

Pacquiao is the draw, Marquez is not.

Let's see how Marquez likes it when he has to wait 4 years for a rematch now. :stir:

 

Although he is in your sig, I'm interested to hear what you think of Banal. I think the kid looks real good. A legit power puncher, with a big future...IF he can take a punch.

 

I've seen just about every fight of Banal's on TFC, and I think he's legit.

His punch selection reminds me of a welterweight Trinidad (he's stopped fighters up top, and going to the body) and he's much more sturdy (so far) and more defensively sound than Rey Bautista (better head and waist movement). While I used to see Rey get wobbled occasionally by lower tier competition, I've yet to see anything like that with Banal. He looks every bit the crusher his record indicates (17 wins, 14 KOs). He could certainly be the next big thing in Pinoy Boxing.

Now Herrera has a lot of bum crushing on his record, but he was 21-0 and won his last fight by a first round KO. Additionally he was offered fights with Jorge Arce and Christian Mijares because of his high ranking with the WBC, both fights that Herrara's management turned down because they believed (correctly so) that he needed more "seasoning" to compete with those kind of fighters. Still it lets you know that Herrera's management was serious about getting him into a title shot in the near future, and that Herrera wasn't just someone they fed to Banal. In fact Herrera's camp made comments on TFC that "after they beat Banal" they'd pursue a fight with Mijares.

The way Banal picked Herrera apart though made it look like he'd never been inside of a ring before. Herrera was totally outclassed and wobbled for the 4 rounds he was able to stand on his own two feet. With a 5 or so more fights, I'd give Banal a legitimate shot to "upset" a Jorge Arce, he's that good. It's too bad Arce will probably cash out against Vasquez or Nonito Donaire. ::

 

Good post and I agree with most everything you've said, besides the Trinidad comparison. I always saw Bautista as a Trinidad-lite, just without the beard.

Banal is something different. He's a bundle of power. A 100% legit banger with skills, IMO. He has a serious future ahead of him.

I've seen nearly all of the kids fights as well, but I was reminded of him yesterday when I saw him bash Herrera's head in. Herrera was doing such a good impressiono of the Judah shuffle at the end there, I wasn't sure who taught who the move.

I LOVE the kids use of the counter right hook. With those heavy hands, I can see that punch being one of the more dominating shots in the sport.

I have ZERO worry about piking him over Arce in a year's time. If he can get through some kind of tough fight before hand, I'd pound the shit out of any line put up for that fight.

 

Speaking of Bautista he looked great crushing Mexican Genaro Camargo. He seems to be improved defensively. It's really his only vice, if he can improve defensively, he certainly has the offense part down pretty well.

Also, Penalosa looked great crushing Vorapin. He looked like a 22 year old fighter in there though Vorapin is kind of shop worn himself. It was funny after Penalosa crushed Vorapin he asked Rey Bautista to not fight Ponce again because he wanted to knock Ponce out because he was getting a bit old.

Rey Bautista's response was, "Yeah, okay, you can fight first." ::

 

I don't want to see Pacman bouncing JMM off the canvas anymore...enough is enough

how about Pac vs Guzman...now thats a fight right there

 

:: That's funny...not that Bautista had much of a choice.

Gerry's always been my boy and I'm glad he's gotten his share of the limelight late in his career.

I'd LOVE to see a Ponce De Leon-Penalosa rematch.

Bautista....I dunno. Wait and see for me on that one.

Banal looks extremely legit. Great balanced fighter with plenty of power.

Peace.

 

"Judah Shuffle" ::

The only thing I worry about is that they will try and push Banal too fast into a world title shot with someone he may not be ready to face (I'm thinking Montiel here). He's only 19 years old and he's really solid as it is, but his manager Antonio Aldeguer is already talking title shot, which I think would be a mistake at this time (I believe the Herrera fight was mentioned as some kind of eliminator though I have to check on that).

I mean Banal is pretty damn good, but he's not even 20 yet, I think his management should learn from what happened to Bautista being rushed too fast, and try to cultivate Banal into something special. He's certainly got the beginnings of it already.

Banal will be very popular once he gets more U.S exposure because of his style. He's a guy who will also be joining the Batamweight ranks in a 2-3 years where guys like Arce and Mares roam. He could make a lot of money off of Pacquiao's formula by trying to setup big fights against popular Mexican fighters.

Overall the card yesterday on TFC was fantastic and it shows there really will be life in Pinoy boxing after Pacquiao. Pacquiao was just the catalyst for this explosion, but there are lots of fighters there to take the reigns once Pacquiao leaves the sport.

 

As for the thread...I said they don't "need" to fight again.

But if the rubber match happened, I'd certainly watch it - and so would we all.

It's pretty much the best fight that can be made at 130 - and the top draw at anywhere near that weight.

However, if anyone should be fighting Guzman, it's Pacquiao. I'd love to see him try to unify at 130. Marquez as well...but Pac has the title.

Peace.

 

I would love to see a rematch between Ponce and Penalosa, seeing as they share the same promoter, I think it would be a great farewell fight for Gerry, especially if he knocks out a tiring Ponce like he almost did last time. :stir:

The thing is, I'm not completely convinced that Ponce gets past Juan Manuel Lopez who he is seemingly headed towards. Juan-Ma is a damn good fighter and I can see him exposing Ponce's defensive leaks and battering him. As long as he doesn't get hit on the chin.

 

Stupid IMO, the fight was close and exciting as to merit a rematch, people are ASKING for it, plus a trilogy will make lots of money. On the other side, I think Guzman is the most avoided champ between 126 lbs and 135 lbs.

 

I dunno man, Juan-Man kinda sucks, IMO.

 

It was a close fight, but really, the only reason Marquez is begging for this rematch is because of all the $$$ he saw on his paycheck two weeks ago. That was Marquez's career high purse and being almost 35, he knows that he can probably retire off a third fight with Pacquiao, even if he gets bounced off the canvas 5 more times. I mean just 3 years ago Marquez was fighting for as low as $30,000. He's tasted the sweet honey that can be made from being involved in a fight with someone who attracts people to stadiums and he wants more. Shit, I'd want more too. You don't fight to get beat up, you fight to get paid.

There's a long line of fighters who want to make that cash, money, bling off a Pacquiao fight. Marquez had TWO chances, and came up short both times. He should wait in line, or punch out the guys in front of him like Joan Guzman, or Valero.

 

Yeah, I'm not convinced Juan-Ma is a superstar in the making but his fight against Oquendo was pretty entertaining.

Let's just say I think Ponce sucks just as much as Juan-Ma so it'll be a close fight IMO when it happens.

 

Oh, there's life in Pinoy boxing. No doubt. It's hot right now, due in no small part to Pacquiao, I'm sure. When Penalosa was at his peak, he was a borderline P4P fighter....but got no pub. Now, even in his twlight, when he is lesser, he's getting the credit he should have gotten years ago, due to better exposure and fights in the states.

The fanbase is growing and its going to be a hard ball to stop rolling now. Kids in the phillipines are taking up boxing in record numbers. I like it, cos they rarely produce boring fighters.

 

who cares who is the draw? nobody is denying that. However Pacquiao didn't sell this much with Morales or Barrera who were supposed to be bigger names than Marquez.

Part of the reason this fight sold so much is because how good and competitive the first one was and at this stage both JMM and Pacquiao were the best at 130.

you keep talking about JMM begging for a third fight as if he is the only one asking for it. Just about every boxing fight who saw the second one imediately asked for a third one.

I can see not fighting JMM for something better. But he is moving up to fight David Diaz. How many people do you hear talking about that fight? :laughing:

The Diaz fight won't mean shit except a shitty tittle. Not so long Pacquiao was too good to need a tittle remember? ::

 

That's because Pacquiao gained so many fans and detractors (like you) from his victories over Morales and Barrera.

Remember, Marquez only fought for less than a bus driver's salary only 3 years ago. Pacquiao was the reason that PPV set records, not Marquez.

 

ok so pacquiao's draw didn't kick in until he fought all those fights?::

He fought Solis on ppv last year and it was shitty numbers in comparisons.

I bet you the Diaz fight will have similar numbers. Let's see if Pacquiao/Diaz sells 500,000 buys :laughing:

 

It did 200,000 buys, wasn't broadcast or advertised on a major network, and Solis wasn't a name, that's far from shitty.

Marquez is just not a draw by himself, he's only had two paydays worth anything and that was versus Barrera and Pacquiao, before that most people didn't care about Marquez.

Marquez wants Pacquiao, Pacquiao doesn't need Marquez. You simply don't know much about boxing. :dunno:

 

that's your go to line when you can't argue for shit? ::

all boxing fans and boxing experts wanna see a third fight except you. weather you wanna credit Marquez or not Pacquiao didn't sell as much as this last fight. That is a fact. It was a FOTY candidate and a damn near close fight.

normally those are reasons that another fight is made but for you those are reasons to avoid it. ::

The fact is JMM is a style nightmare for Pacquiao and you rather see Pacquiao fight a stiff in Diaz. You can spin it around anyway you want but that's a shitty fight.

Hell even the battered Morales almost beat Diaz. your the only clown that thinks that's a better fight than a 3rd Marquez fight. ::

 

I never said I thought Diaz was a better fight, but seriously how many times do Pac and Marquez need to fight? If Marquez loses a third fight closely (1-3 points), do they have to keep doing it until Marquez wins one so you can die happily? ::

 

I'm already happy with the score. I thought JMM beat him twice. I can die happy.

I though both fights were close and competitive. Both times they showed they were the two best at 126 and 130 so why wouldn't I wanna see another one?

The fight wasn't boring it was exciting. It did good ppv numbers. So again why not make another one?

your the one hoping they don't make another fight. I guess the thought of watching Pacquiao batter Diaz will help you die happy. ::

for all the hype Pacquiao gets even Arum and Roach admited they made the JMM fight because it was actually gonna challenge him. Don't you wanna see your boy challenged?:dunno:

I think you rather see him beat the piss out of Diaz and pretend he does that to everyone else. :laughing: