JOAN GUZMAN "IT WAS ALL MY FAULT!"

I was wrong and I apologize. There is no one else to blame for me not making the lightweight division weight limit of 135 pounds for my WBO, WBA and IBF title bout against Nate Campbell this past weekend.

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He didn't explain why he didn't fight even overweight.

Campbell and King were willing to still make the fight over the limit.

It's also bullshit that he didn't show his face to explain himself.

 

Guzman was never one to duck anyone, in fact the whole debacle with Scott Harrison is probably the reason for the many apologies, he knows what it is like to be in that position.


I'd like to see all the facts laid out before calling Guzman a ducker.

 

There is something fishy going on here.:shit:

 

I wouldn't call him a ducker.

Irresponsible and unprofessional is more like it.

I know he didn't sign a fight, go through training camp, do the press conferences, do the weigh in just to pull out at the end.

nobody is that fucking stupid nor does he have that much time and money to waste. I know he planned on making the fight.

But his weight preparation is definately an issue. Nothing new but it caught up to him and now he is fucked and will be for a while.

 

The prick has done it before. Once bitten, twice shy. Fuck him.

 

Maybe I missed something, when has Guzman done this before?

 

2004

 

Who did he piss off in 2004? The dreaded Scott Harrison?
Or is that the last time he stopped someone?

 

Besides alot of fans and gamblers? Marcos Lincona.

 

I did a google search looking for an article or something, but all I found was a bunch of Campbell-Guzman articles.

 

I didn't bother searching around for it. I remember it quite well. Joe Morales stepped in on 24 hours notice and fought Guzman, cos Joan came up with the excuse "Nobody told me this fight wa a title defence"...as to why he didn't make weight. So Lincona told him to go fuck himself and left.

 

yea he did do that against licona and ended up fighting joe morales at 130 i think.

 

Tammy and Joon and correct on that 2004 occurence. The worst part is that Guzman was supposed to appear on Showtime, but the weight issue scratched the fight from the telecast (it would've been the televised co-feature to Tszyu-Mitchell II).

In Guzman's defense for that fight, though - his fucked up ex-manager Rafael Guerrero (who was his manager at the time, of course) told Guzman it was a non-title bout. It was also around the time when Guerrero started rumors of Paco Valcarcel (WBO president) drugging and raping a Dominican teenaged girl, at which point Guzman believed he fell out of good graces with the WBO.

But that was then, no excuses for this fight. Though to those who asked why he still didn;t go through with the fight - his "efforts" in trying to make weight after coming in way heavy resulted in his suffering from and being treated for dehydration. Still, it should've never come to that.

 

Seeing as Nate didn't give a shit, he shouldn't have even bothered to lose anymore weight.

According to Nate, he didn't even bother trying anyway.

Which is true Jake? How hard did he try to shed the 3 pounds?

 

I don't know how Nate can or can't confirm that Guzman tried to lose the weight, unless he's openly admitting to stalking him.

I know for a fact, though, that Nate didn't say at the weigh-in that he'd fight him overweight, because Nate was slightly heavy himself. He came back a few minutes later and was under; Guzman never came back. It was when they threatened to cancel the fight that Nate said he'd fight him heavy, at which point I believe Guzman was already admitted to a hospital.

Not saying that Nate wouldn't have fought him regardless, but the timeline is off. People are trying too hard to portray one side as a straight villian, the other as a flawless hero.

 

That still does not make sense to why Guzman didn't know it was a world title fight.

 

OK, lemme try again, and I'll say it a little louder this time.

In Guzman's defense for that fight, though - his fucked up ex-manager Rafael Guerrero (who was his manager at the time, of course) TOLD GUZMAN IT WAS A NON-TITLE BOUT.

 

was that not televised? i was in korea at the time and they televised it. haha.

 

It was just the Tszyu-Mitchell fight in the states. I forget what they filled the broadcast with beforehand. Corrales-Castillo I hadn't happened yet, so it couldn't have been the umpteenth replay of that ::

 

Yeah i know that his manager told him that. Im sure there was people on here who knew it was a world title fight but Guzman was fighting for his title and didn't know. Thats what im saying. I read what you wrote loud and clear. Guzman is mad dumb if he doesn't know that part of his purse is going to the WBO for a sanctioning fee to sanction a fight for his belt. Add to that Showtime would have been promoting it as a WBO world title fight and his own promoter would have been promoting the fight in the media as a WBO world title fight. Does Joan live in a cave Jake?

 

Nate made weight, that's really all that matters. Whether he was a few ounces over, doesn't matter. He came back and made weight whereas Guzman didn't.

The question I have is...

If Guzman was that severely dehydrated and still 3.5 lbs over, how heavy was he earlier in the week? Two weeks before?

I know you've admitted to being an apologist for Guzman, thus he gets no credit and painting him as a villian...I have no issue with. So what if Nate didn't immediately jump on fighting Guzman over the weight...if Guzman made weight it wouldn't have been an issue.

 

You kind of missed what I was saying. Everyone's making it seem as if Nate jumped on a scale, then saw that Guzman was heavy and said fuck it I'll fight him anyway. That's not what happened, which is all I was saying.

As far as I know, Guzman was 139 or 140 on Monday. Weight-wise, it was similar to Corrales prior to the Casa rubber match, where he got close to weight the week of the weigh in, but reached a point where he couldn't shed any more weight. Physique-wise - Chico had a legit alibit, that his body simply gave in. Not sure that was the case w/ Guzman.

 

It was being marketed as a world title bout. But when Guerrero started that shit storm (which was less than a month before the scheduled fight, if I remember correctly), he told Guzman that the WBO was going to strip him over it, and also that his inability at the time to break loose from Warren (which is why Guerrero started the false scandal in the first place) would block the fight from being sanctioned as a world title fight.

 

So you agree with Nate that he didn't try to make weight?

Also, Guzman's response sounds as though it came from your pen.

Guzman, "It was all my fault."

Jake, "I blame myself."


Hmmmmmm

 

I'm not agreeing with anyone. Just saying that people have a right to question Guzman's conditioning, and that Chico's frame offered less room to shed weight.

 

Fuck Guzman...

He SHOULD have Been Saying this Shit when Floyd Sr. was Trying to Blame the Nutritionist...OR the Day of the Fight...OR the Day AFTER the Fight...OR even Monday...

Instead he Waits til the AVALANCHE of Negative Publicity CONSUMES him B 4 Making an "Apology"...

This Cat Knew MONTHS N ADVANCE what Weight he Had to Make...
REED:hammert:

 

Oh ok, thanks for clearing that up, between you and Jake bringing me up to speed on that.

Honestly the PPV was so entertaining I didn't give a shit when I found out Campbell-Guzman wasnt going to happen. I am not sure how competitive Guzman can be if he moved up in weight again...hell he hasn't even fought at 135 yet and he can't make the weight....plus it's been since 2004 since he knocked someone out

 

Someone who knows/sees Guzman better/more than I do would know better, but every time I've been to Gleason's gym, Guzman is doing cardio work. EVERY time.

Now, that probably means he's not doing his roadwork outdoors, but he definately works on shedding the pounds(he also always wears sweatsuits). I find morning roadwork to be a good thing and a bad thing. With treadmills and different training techniques for cardio work, roadwork in the cold woods/mountains is a bit overrated if you ask me.

BUT...

It's a good indication of how dedicated that fighter is. I've never seen any fighter that is dedicated to roadwork have to pull out of a fight for weight reasons. Come to think of it, fighters that are doing their roadwork even when not in training seem to get injured less as well.

 

I speak regularly with a guy who trains at the same facility. He told me a month ago that Guzman wasn't going to make it.