Louis didn't have the mobility, hand speed or chin that Ali had, but he was a precision puncher with much more power in both hands. How does this one play out?
I think this is stylistically bad fight for Frazier. Louis would hae struggled with many heavyweights of 70s, but here I think his precision and the ability to throw short hooks in little space are too much for Frazier. Louis TKO4 in an entertaining exchange
Louis by brutal KO within three rounds. Louis feasted on guys who came straight at him, and with his textbook precision power shots, Joe would be almost positively hurt early.
Actually, Louis didn't like being crowded. He was best against guys who stood their ground or boxed a little. Look at the Firpo fight.
He was at his best against stiffs. Frazier isnt one. If a prime Frazier fought in Louis' era, then Joe would be considered the one of the G.O.A.Ts. The Frazier that destroyed Ellis, and beat Ali would fuck Louis up!
seriously. i hate to say it, but louis is overrated as hell. he put some pretty combos together, and had some picturesque knock-outs, but i'm not even sure he beats a witherspoon or a tucker. times change. and time changes.
:bears: :bears: :bears: If he had came around in Liston's era, they'd have thrown Sonny in jail for assault.
See, this post is exactly the reason why everyone thinks you're a hoser. There's a big difference between Louis and Tucker/Witherspoon, and it has nothing to do with when they were born. It has to do with heart and desire, with killing yourself off in the gym so that you wouldn't get killed off in the ring. The lack of those two are EXACTLY why Tucker and Witherspoon were never great heavyweights.
I dunno about Tucker, but Terrible Tim at his best coulda very well beaten Louis. Witherspoon was alot better than Max Sucking, thats for damn sure!
1a. the only hoser is you you mean bitch (yeah two yous). 2. Tucker had plenty of conditioning. 3. (LMFAO - Borowski just blew another save - guy's a fuck up. I hope he blows his brains out.) 4. what's your point? you honestly think a 190 pound Louis is gonna beat a 6'5" Tucker with a granite chin? do you honestly believe that?
Louis did weigt over 200 lbs, even 215lbs at times but I do agree in that he wouldn't have been a champion in 1980s. I pick him against Frazier simply because styles favour him so much
Louis was 200 pounds in his prime. And Tucker didn't have a granite chin. Once he got hit, he went into his shell, just like Tua. Look at what Tucker did every time he faced someone who could hurt him. He stopped trying to win. Why would he do any different against Louis? Sober up. You're making even less sense than normal, and like normal, you absolutely suck at picking fights.
No, Doub is actually speaking logical. Louis feasted on stiffs. He once fought a guy making his PRO DEBUT for Christ sake! He's w/o question the most overrated heavyweight, and one of the most overrated FIGHTERS of all time. Rivaled only by his daddy Marciano in the overrated department. Frazier actually beat quality fighters.
Right there, you exposed yourself. You read that one of Louis's opponents on Boxrec had no fights recorded before the bout. Steve Ketchell's record on Boxrec is incomplete, and you're an idiot for thinking that he actually made his pro debut against the #2 ranked heavyweight contender in the world. Oh, and don't try to argue this point. You're just wrong and stupid.
This whole website is filled with bandwagon-jumping idiots like yourselves, afraid to have an original throught.
is that what this is for you? a chance to express yourself and your individuality? not exactly the appropriate forum, wouldn't you agree? last thing i would ever want to do is to stifle innovation or creativity. but i'm not so sure the people here are interested in my take on such things. this is boxing man. Louis was great in his time. but he doesn't match up well with any of the top fighters in the 80's. just the way it is.
The thing is, you don't put forth coherent arguments. You put forth bumper sticker quotes, masquerading as knowledge.
VERY GOOD FIGHT!! One thing is for certain...it's not going the distance. I think Joe Louis does it. He may get dropped a couple times along the way but by the 7th round he would have busted Frazier up and finished him off...
Oh and Double L and Xplosive..if Louis was AS vulnerable and overrated as you guys are implying, he wouldn't have made 26 title defenses.
i think it's a bit ignorant to say that louis was china chinned and that he wouldn't have fared well against the modern heavyweights. he was a great fighter during his time and still holds the record for having the longest title reign in history of boxing. some of the dismissive posts here would only suggest that boxing was garbage during the 40s/50s. if so, that doesn't say a whole lot about the sport as a whole. why i dont i stretch further and say that tony tubbs or charles shufford would've given frazier a boxing lesson.
Everything Double L posts is ignorant and repetitive. He's as predictable as a metronome. Any time there's a discussion on Joe Louis, he's going to post that Louis was china chinned. He never expands on this or even tries to prove his point, because he's completely incapable of doing so. He's kind of like Petre, in that he posts ignorant bullshit to be different from everyone else, as if he's searching for an identity. Louis did have balance issues, but no one who saw the first Schmeling fight would accuse Louis of having a less-than-stellar chin. He was eating HUGE overhand rights all night long.
