Juan Diaz still sucks....

yes he sucks....:dunno:


he beat freitas, so what? beat who-lio diaz, so what? he sure was waiting for castillo and corrales to move up the little punk. and now he's calling manny?? He's the 135 lbs champ by default. still hits like a girl and still will get his first loss by KO. don't act like he beat someone worth mentioning tonight.

 

Everbody was picking Julio :nono:

 

and you have the balls to have a Juanma Lopez bandwagon.::

 

He's actually pretty good,he's going to be hard too beat.All he has to do is beat Casamayor and there will be no dispute for the crown

 

How could you not like a guy who gives that kind of effort????
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I think Karl has something to do with it ::

 

juan is gradually on his way to cleaning out the division. he has improved in the past 2 years.

still, the lightweight division kinda sucks.

 

These threads crack me up. Juan Diaz just keeps winning, he beats who is in front of him. He is still a very young champ at that. I remember everyone was saying this stuff about Miguel Cotto 3 years ago. And he just kept winning. Now those posters don't seem to yell as loud about Miguel Cotto "sucking".:doh:

Good fight tonight Juan. I would love to see him fight the other Diaz and then get a huge fight with Manny.

 

I haven't seen his last 2 fights yet, but I admit I used to hate the guy. Maybe after I finally watch those 2 fights I'll have a different opinion of him.

Either way though, you put him in against Casamayor and I'll root for Juan so much it'll make Shane Mosley jealous.

 

Diaz is to the lightweight division as Wlad is to the heavyweight division.

 

i wouldnt go that far. lower weight classes are dynamic. a good fighter could pop up anytime. prospects are at least more prominent. heavyweights fucking blow.

 

Lies.

 

tell me about it. the only potential hvy fight that keeps people talking is wlad-peter II, sad considering their first (only) fight wasn't easy on the eyes.

john ruiz beats a scrub last night for his first win in THREE YEARS, yet still warrants consideration as a Top 10 contender.

at least at lightweight, the "rest" have the decency to move on and start fighting each other when the alleged and self-proclaimed best decides to turn down one payday after another while crying the world is avoiding him. Juan Diaz, David Diaz, Nate Campbell, Michael Katsidis and now Manny Pacquiao possibly joining the fray - you can mix and match any of those fights, and still wind up with Must-see TV.

 

Ruiz is easily a top ten contender. He didn´t really lose to Valuev and Chagaev should probably be ranked #2 in the world. We have Wladimir, Chagaev, Peter, Ibragimov, Povetkin, Maskaev, Ruiz, Valuev, Thompson, Brock. Yeah, that sounds about right for a top ten, put in Chambers if he beats Brock.

 

He beat Valuev, but lost to Chagaev.

HWT division, as it stands, is mediocre. There can not be much doubt about that.

 

Yup.

 

Pure Haterade, bro....and I rarely say stupid stuff like that. ::

There are things I don't like about Juan's game; sure. And he's not my preferred style.

But the fact is, he keeps improving, mixing more boxing and defense/movement with his swarming offense, and putting together combinations.

He has beaten everyone put in front of him, even those who most "thought" were going to beat him at the more elite level - and not just beaten them, but obliterated them.

And he's still just 24.

Now he does need to move on to Katisidis, Casamayor...and sure, eventually Pac or Guzman or Soto or Valero if they move up.

Peace.

 

Juan is Sooooooo BASIC, it's Easy to Walk Away UNimpressed @ Times...

But the Thing is, he's WAXING the Freitas' & Diaz's of the World Even EASIER than the JOURNEYMAN he Used to FEAST on...

The Cat is RELENTLESS & he's a MURDEROUS BodyPuncher...He could RULE 135 for the Next Couple Years, then Catch Hatton on the DOWNSIDE, as he Moves Up to 140...


REED

 

dsimon writes:
:bears: The key word is improving. And honestly he made two champions quit, what else could people want from the kid.

Regarding his style I like certain aspects of it. Firstly I love to watch fighters that "explode" their punches. Just an idiocycracy of mine.

 

I don't think an incredibly accurate puncher is ever basic...Freitas was the prototype mover by the time Diaz faced him, and he still looked like he had a bullseye on his face :warning:
Some people may be a bit scared to say it, but I'm not; Juan Diaz is the best fundamental fighter in his and neighboring weight classes. Note, I'm saying fighter, as in, aggressor, NOT in the classical boxing sense like Mayweather, or even JMM. His combinations flow naturally; there's not a single punch that he can't throw with effectiveness including the jab; his defense is proper to get the job done by partial blocking instead of wasted excessive footwork; we ALL know his M.O. is to outwork his opponent, and it's clear that he trains to fight, and not to sculpt his body which has been a problem in boxing for quite a while.

But I have to disagree that he will be a success at 140 in any capacity. I think he is a one-division guy, even if the difference is just 5 pounds. Maybe I'll be wrong about that, I hope I AM wrong; we'll just wait and see :blobbox:

 

dsimon writes:

:bears: Keep in mind Doc that Juan still has some growin' to do. Natural growth processes will probably make it inevitable that he moves up in weight.

 

Perhaps I'm in the minority, but I wasn't impressed with last nights fight. Truth be told, I fell asleep halfway through and woke up when they were announcing the winner.

Diaz is certainly the best at 135, but in my mind I see that as an indication of how little talent is in the division. Does anyone really think Juan would have had much of a chance against Mayweather, Corrales or Castillo when they were at their best at 135? I don't.

Juan's a good kid and there's a tremendous amount of things you can like about the guy (except for his annoying super fan) but I just can't get overly excited about watching him fight.

And contrary to what's repetitively shoved down the throats by a certain poster on this board...I've got a few co-workers and friends who live in the Houston area and both have repeatedly said the said thing about the guy...no one in that area knows or cares about the kid which is sad.

The best thing that could happen for Juan is for this to be his last fight with King and he manages to sign with Golden Boy (hate to say it) or Top Rank. That's the only way he'll make any real money because Top Rank/Golden Boy share Pacquiao, Top Rank has David Diaz (who they might sacrifice to Pacquiao) and Casamayor is with Golden Boy.

I'd like to see Juan make some real money while he's still young.

**also posted in another thread**

 

Karl said so, he was the only guy here that had the opportunty for the "I told you so" speach.

 

By "BASIC", REED Means that U Know EXACTLY What U're Getting from Juan Diaz...Though he's Undeniably EFFECTIVE, it's NOT like he SURPRISES or TRICKS People...

No FRILLS, No GIMMICKS...He IS what he IS...

"Basic" ISN'T a Slight, Necessarily....But that's what Diaz is...NON-Complicated...SIMPLE (though NOT Easy to BEAT, Obviously)...However U Wanna Word it...


REED

 

I think that's fair. That's where he's improved most - fundamentals - while managing to retain his aggression and workrate.

If he used his jab more consistently he'd be so much more effective...that 7th round where he basically jabbed Julio's head off was a beaut.

There are things he could do better in terms of fundamentals but looking at his peers, he's quite solid as an aggressive, offensive fighter.

Peace.

 

and what a magnanamous one at that...

 

Yeah I thought that was a boring fight also. Couldn't hold my interest. Seemed like an ESPN fight.

 

I totally agree. Juan is the best at 135 by default. He wouldnt have had a prayer at beating Floyd, Castillo, or Chico when they were at 135. I wouldnt pick him to beat a prime Casa either, but Casa is up there in age, I think Diaz can outwork him at this point. Katsidis is a strong guy, and I like him, but I think his skin is too brittle to beat Juan. However, Katsidis would give Juan a much tougher fight than bum ass WHOlio did. Katsidis is the guy Juan SHOULD fight next, but I can understand him calling out Manny, he wants a payday. A payday against a naturally smaller man, and a guy considered a top 3 P4Pder.

 

Not for nothing, but who cares how so and so would've fared even last year, never mind 5 or 6 years ago. We have a Mythical Matchups forum for that stuff.

Juan's the best lightweight now, and furthermore, he's willing to fight the best of whatever's available now. His next fight is either against Joel Casamayor, David Diaz, Manny Pacquiao, Michael Katsidis or Nate Campbell. I'm happy with any one of those fights, and even more so that whoever he doesn't fight from among that group, at least one more direct matchup will be made.

That's something the lightweight division hasn't had going on in a while. If a top fighter wasn't making weight, he was sitting on the sidelines turning down one fight after another. Now we have guys who can make weight AND genuinely want to fight one another. Let's celebrate THAT

 

Stop making sense and join the fickle whining bandwagon, Jake. :nono:


:: :clap: Good post.