Just a quick reminder...

The winner of the Casamayor/Katsidis fight this weekend is the lightweight champion of the world.

I would love to see the winner defend against the #1 contender, and arguably best fighter, Nate Campbell.

Cheers!

 

Yep, its true. Until he loses Casa is the Champ.

 

No doubt

 

Fixed.

 

I have a problem with how Casamayor claimed that belt.

 

So do I. He did, however, still claim it.

 

According to most, sure.

 

Rules are rules though, right? It's too bad Castillo and Corrales both had to miss weight for lightweight championship fights... but if a champion can't make weight, the challenger can still fight for the championship. That's pretty consistent across the board, no?

 

REED Knows U're a LINEAR Advocate, Steve-Dave...

"However", the FACT is Some ANONYMOUS Scrub, whose Name ESCAPES REED, WIPED His ASS w/Casamayor en Route to 1 of THE WORST Decisions N HISTORY...

Subscribing to the "Linear Theory" is as BOGUS as Telling YOURSELF that Casamayor "BEAT" His Last Opponent...

He DIDN'T...

By Beating Juan Diaz, Nate Campbell is ALREADY "THE" Lightweight Champ in REED's Opinion...


REED

 

Sad but true. It's legit.

 

That's my problem, REED. In your opinion, Campbell is the champ. Couldn't someone else have the opinion that David Diaz is lightweight champion? Anyone with a title belt could make that claim.

It's not my opinion that Casamayor is the lightweight champion. He just is.

 

As for decisions, they are what they are. Bad decisions are, unfortunately, a part of the game. There is over 100 years worth of bad decisions. The guy who is awarded the fight, justly or or not, keeps his title.

I wish people could see that you don't have to be seen as the best fighter in a division to be the champion.

 

Exactly. Everyone knew Mayweather was better than Baldomir. The fact is, he wasn't really the champ until he actually went in the ring and beat the guy.

Of course there are many other examples.

I really hope Katsidis wins, because what i've been hearing a matchup between him and Campbell won't be hard to put together.:bears:

 

Exactly.

 

:bears:

 

For 3 more days he is.

 

I would also like to add that when Corrales and Castillo were clearly the two top fighters at lightweight (before their first fight) NO ONE, other than maybe Karl, would have given Juan a prayer against either. At the time, Juan was simply a young title holder.

I just don't think you can turn around and start calling Juan the legit champ if he didn't beat the guy who eventually beat the Castillo/Corrales winner. There was a clear lightweight champion (Corrales) when Diaz was WBA champ. Corrales was defeated in the ring by Casamayor, not Diaz.

As I said when we were doing the radio show, after Diaz/Diaz last year.... I thought Juan Diaz was the best lightweight on the planet, and I didn't think it was close. That didn't make him the World Champion.

 

Hopefully.

 

I think we should judge the fight and mail in the scorecards for Katsidis like was done for Casamayor's last fight.

 

I'd rather see Joel on his back. ::

 

HOW is he???:dunno:

LITERALLY, Casamayor "Won" a Title from a NON Lightweight....So Basically, Casamayor "Won" a VACANT Lightweight Title...He Beat The NAME "Diego Corrales", but Corrales WASN'T a LIGHTWEIGHT N that Fight...So Beating a NON Lightweight Makes U THE Lightweight Champ???:dunno:

The Thing is, there's Sooooooooooo Fucking MUCH Red Tape that Go's Into these Type of Arguments, it MINIMIZES It...

After All, WHO Beat Roberto Duran for HIS Lightweight Title???...Pernell Whittaker???...Shane Mosley???...Floyd Mayweather???...

The DIRECT LINE that's Supposed to LEGITIMIZE the "Linear Theory" has Been BROKEN Numerous Times...There R No "Linear" Champs, Actually...

& Again, Casamayor LOST in EMBARRASSING Fashion in Front of about 500,000 ppv Watchers...Sorry, but he's NOT the "Champ", just Cause some Judges w/an AGENDA Said he Is...



REED

 

I agree with all of the red tape and so on when it comes down to these arguments.

But let's look at it this way.

What if Katsidis were to utterly destory Casamayor. Then Nate Campell gets outboxed by some no-name and wins an utterly bogus decision.

Who's the champ? Katisidis, Campbell or the bum who got robbed?

 

& the INSTANT Floyd Did that, Damn Near EVERYBODY BITCHED about the Fight...

Floyd was Criticized for FOLLOWING THRU w/that Fight Perhaps MORE than Any Other Fight...

There was NO PLUS Side to Beating Baldomir, yet EVERYBODY Held Baldomir OVER Floyd's Head, PRIOR to the Fight...

Peeps THINK the Linear Argument CLARIFIES Shit, but it just ADDS to the Confusion...

REED

 

I think most people criticized Floyd because of his dull performance in that fight, not because he signed on for it.

 

Being HONEST, REED has NEVER Had Much of a Problem w/RING MAGAZINE's Rankings, N Terms of WHO "THE" Champion is...

Guys can SIT on their "Linear" Titles, Get BULLSHIT Verdicts or Whatever...Not to Mention THE FACT that a "Linear" Title can B WON w/Out EVER Beating the PREVIOUS "Linear" Champion...

The ENTIRE "Linear" Premise is FAULTY @ Best...

REED

 

That's just IT...

The FACT that he'd just WON this Supposedly IMPORTANT "Linear" Title was Completely LOST on EVERYBODY...

NOBODY Gave a Shit that Floyd was Now "THE" Welterweight Champion...Yet it was IMPORTANT that he BEAT "THE" Welterweight Champion???


REED:dunno:

 

Yes, it does. As far as I know, that's a rule consistent across the board. If the champion doesn't make weight two things can happen:

1. The champ wins, so the title is vacant
2. The champ loses, and there is a new champ.

This isn't exclusive to this situation.

I agree. I try not to use the word linear, because this is a sport where the top athletes like to move around the classes. When a real champion moves up in weight, I have no problems sorting out the mess your way. That's how it should be.. the top guys getting together, again, to award a new championship.

However, when there IS a champ, like in this case, you should keep that lineage going until it stops by someone moving up in weight or retiring.

Diego Corrales was the 135 champ... everyone knew it. Certainly Juan Diaz would not have been a guy, at the time, mentioned as a possible alternative. There was Corrales, followed by Castillo..... and everyone else.

When you start giving the championship to the guy you think is the best... well, you run the risk of having a situation like this one. As it turns out, we were wrong... Juan was NOT the best.

Let me tell you why I always follow the decisions. You see how many people were calling Marquez/Pacquiao a robbery? You run the risk of mixing controversial decisions with blatant robberies. You always have to go with the final decision when it's all said and done.

 

And that sucks. REED, you know that if anything, I'm consistent. I gave Floyd credit for fighting and beating the 147 champ.

 

In cases of bad decision do think the loser should be considered the #1 contender emeritus?

 

#1 contender 4 lyfe? :dunno: