KERMIT CINTRON: PAUL WILLIAMS DOESN'T WANT TO FIGHT ME, I'D KNOCK HIM OUT

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I would like to this fight happen! Thoughts?:bears:

 

The DAY Williams Beat Margarito & Cintron WAXED Matthhyse,REED Said THIS was the Fight he WANTED to See...

They're Both YOUNG,EXCITING & it'd B a UNIFICATION Fight...Besides that,Floyd,Hatton,Shane & Cotto R BUSY til 2008...


REED

 

Wiliams will stop Cintron before round 10.

Cintron is a champion like Baldomir was a champion.
We all know what that really means.

IMO Cintron is not a fighter you get behind and start picking him over any decent comp.

 

I'm not sure now is the time for this fight. We have a chance for both of these guys to establish themselves as big players in the division. If one of them beats the other right now it could diminish that.

 

I was right there with you beating the same drum Reed. This is a MUST fight. Williams needs to make it happen. The unification needs to happen, plus its a great fight on paper. Someone's getting KTFO:bears: If one guy has both belts it gives that guy a little more leverage at the table when they negotiate with the bigger names of the division. (Mosely/Cotto/Floyd) Its a no brainer for both guys.

 

Cintron is destined to lose to a lower level type fighter anyway.
He might as well lose to Williams now and get it over with.

The only way I see Cintron winning is if he does the same shit Tarver did in the rematch with Harding - (get completely owned and embarrased , just before you are about to quit , close your eyes and throw the hardest punch possible and pray to God it lands flush)

 

I'll say this: Cintron more than anyone else at or around 147 is equipped to beat Williams.

 

I give Cintron a good chance here. Williams throws alot of punches and this will give Cintron a chance to land a BOMB! It will be very interesting.

 

What will be sweet is if this fight happens and Cintron wins. Then we'll have three awesome guys at 147 who have all fought each other, and presumably, will have done so in exciting fashion, and nobody will know which one is better. Because when all is said and done, the difference between fighters at this level is negligible. This is what HBO doesn't want you to know. HBO wants to carry on the sherade that there are super heroes amongst us who can separate themselves. But if and when the best guys face each other consistently, it will become abundantly clear that the difference is more about styles and luck. And that at the very top of the sport is a bunch of guys who can beat each other on any given night. And they can win and lose and we'll still want to see them fight and we'll still know that they're great. We just won't be hypnotized by hype into thinking that they're invincible. Because nobody's invincible. And nobody can beat everyone. So if you see it out there, and you think what you see is invincibility or unmatched ability? Know that it's just slick management and the HBO hype machine. Not reality.

 

I think that's a pretty fair assumption of Cintron. He has decent power but will never be an elite fighter. Which is why its a perfect matchup for boxing and the fans. I agree, I would pick Williams in 7.

 

Yeah but the problem here is that Cintron isn't that type of Caliber.
He is a B-class fighter at the very best.
You talk about any given night , well Cintron is the type of fighter that could be beaten by a journeyman on any given night.

I'm not even sure if I would pick him over a aged Carlos Baldomir.
IMO a fight like that could go either way. Whith that said , How could I possibly view Cintron as elite.

 

agREED...

That's TWICE N 2 Days...Something's DEFINITELY Wrong...


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Like I said in my other post -

"The only way I see Cintron winning is if he does the same shit Tarver did in the rematch with Harding - (get completely owned and embarrased , just before you are about to quit , close your eyes and throw the hardest punch possible and pray to God it lands flush)"

 

I agree Cintron is a B- fighter at best. He does have a punchers chance but he's nothing special. I need to see him fight Margarito again to see if Manny has helped Cintron improve as a fighter.

 

Well, you're basing your assessment of Cintron on one fight. Right? His loss to Margarito. Well that makes you part of the problem.

What journeyman would Cintron lose to?

And you're crazy if you think Baldomir would beat Cintron. It's not worth discussing if you actually believe this.

 

If the Margarito fight is they only fight I have ever seen , I would not have even commented.

IMO , a younger Baldomir is a pick'em fight against Cintron.
Even right now I would not bet any money on it.

 

This would be an interesting fight. I'd love to see it.

Cintron is still a question mark in terms of the whole front-running thing b/c of his collapse against Tony. Although he did gut it out against Estrada, he wasn't behind in that fight.

Williams seems to take a good shot, and the late rounds of the Margarito fight was a gut check he passed. He's not much of a puncher but he's so busy and active. He's very hittable though, and Cintron is a powerful guy, and will most likely land something good on Williams.

 

Whatever. Why do you need to see him against Margarito again? I mean, I agree it'd be nice to see the rematch to find out how much he's improved in terms of being able to handle Margarito, but wouldn't it be just as redeeming if he were to take on and beat Williams, the guy who already beat Margarito?

How the hell can you say he's a B- fighter? I just don't get it. Compare what he did to Mathysse with what Williams did? Or his KO of Estrada with Mosely's sloppy win over him. Or his KO of Suarez.

Basically, what I'm hearing from a lot of you is that Cintron is a B- fighter because he lost one fight. Do you realize how wrong that is? And do you realize the amount of importance that viewpoint places on an undefeated record? To listen to some of you a fighter can't be elite if they've ever lost a fight.

 

He went life and death Vs Estrada and at times it looked as though he might lose or get stopped.

If you don't believe me , I'll gladly post up the video.

 

if cintron can put his punches together and land, williams is going to sleep.

i can see williams outboxing him, but with cintron's built and power, i see that as difficult task.

tough fight for both fighters imo.

 

Thats how I see it was well!

 

you're insane.

 

estrada did give him a tough fight, but cintron won most of those rounds and messed him up badly at the end.

i think he learned a lot from that fight in terms of showing heart and is also a more improved fighter at this point in his career.

i guess that remains to be seen until he fights someone good.

 

ok. i can live with this assessment. but Mathysse did go 12 with Williams and give him a good fight. And Suarez isn't an easy fight either. And again, Estrada did go 12 with Mosley, while Cintron managed to demolish him ultimately. It's not like Cintron hasn't fought anyone.

 

How am I insane ? Bro , its a FACT that Cintron went life and death with Estrada.
There were MANY points in that fight were in looked like Cintron might lose and or was hurt and fading.
If anyone had a lot of money on Cintron for that fight , there would have been many points where they would have been shitting bricks worried that he might lose.

You call Mosely's win sloppy and praise Cintrons. Now that is INSANE !

Mosely at no point looked like he might lose or get stopped.
Cintron did on more then one occasion.

You better go re-watch the Cintron/Estrada fight.
That was not a good showing for Cintron in any way shape or form.
Even though he won , thats a fight Cintron fans should be trying to forget about.

 

Good point! I was very impressed with the Mathysse ko!

 

Good fight, winner of this fight deserves t be in the mix with Floyd, Cotto and Shane.

 

well he K Estrada TFO. Mosley didn't. that makes Cintron's performance better IMO.

he traded with Estrada and took some shots, but that doesn't mean he almost lost. Estrada can't punch for shit. he wasn't gonna lose that fight. and he knew that. that's why he went to the effort he did and took as many chances to get him out of there.

nobody's ever stopped Estrada. Cintron did. that should count for something. and be a feather in Cintron's cap. you act like Cintron landed a lucky punch that pulled him out of the fire or something. that's not how it happened.

 

Uh, Williams is every bit in the mix as those guys already, which is probably why he's balking at the chance to fight Cintron.

 

So if he survived a life-and-death struggle, does that mean he's not as mentally fragile as we may have suspected after the Margarito collapse?