Let's call it: Floyd upped Manny big time.

It's time to call it, none hardcore Pacquiaoheads knew that it was Manny who looked the worst by being the one to pull out of the fight because of his refusal to take a random blood test up to 14 days before the fight. 14 days people, 14 freaking days. Now I'm not here to hear and repeat the same shit argument, Manny pulled out of the fight and in 2 days Arum had the fight with Clottey all set and signed with his new good pal in Texas. He thought, despite being the biggest choker at 147, the fans love Pacquiao so much that none will bitch about the fight and since we'll only pay Clottey 1 million I'll earn more than with a Mayweather fight. But here's the thing, he didn't forsee that Floyd would go on to fight the very next best fighter at Welterweight. Not only is Floyd in a much more legacy enhancing bout, he'll earn much more money, do much better PPV numbers and by having Shane agree in 2 seconds to the random testing well, let's say that was the cherry on the cake.

After he beats the african choker that doesn't even believe can beat Pacquiao himself and if Floyd beats Mosley, let's hope they can get past the bullshit this time and make it happen.

Props to Floyd and Shane for making it happen.

 

Yes and no.

Floyd bitched out of the fight by refusing Manny's compromise.

But he is fighting a better opponent, and I look forward to the fight.

I give Floyd credit for actually going ahead with the Mosley fight, but in all honesty, he didn't really have a choice. If the Pacman fight fell through, and he ended up fighting Paulie or Matthew Hatton (::) or someone like that, he would essentially be considering a joke, people would stop taking him seriously and considering him one of the very best fighters in the world.

 

Fixed.

 

Not fixed.

Floyd could have accepted Manny's ample compromise, going above and beyond what he usually does, but didn't. It's Floyd's fault the fight didn't happen.

He could have taken the fight, just like Hearns took the fight with Leonard. The difference is, Leonard made no compromise at all, Manny made a big compromise. Random urine tests, and a post fight blood test.

 

I think PBF one upped Pacquaio/Arum and am glad that it happened.

I blame Arum. He clearly wanted a fight at Texas Stadium. Now he has one and controls the entire promotion there.

 

The Mosley fight was there for Pac well before the Clottey bout was a done deal.

 

But the fight with Clottey was signed before Mosley - Berto was even called off.

 

Looking @ the ENTIRETY of Everything, Floyd CLEARLY One Upped Manny Pac...

1. He Cast a LOOMING Shadow of DOUBT Over Pac, by Basically DARING him to Take & Pass Olympic Styled Testing....

2. He's Now Signed to Face Sugar Shane, THE ONLY OTHER BIG Fight Out There for him...

3. He's Got Shane COMMITTED to the Same Olympic Styled Testing that Pac FROWNED Upon...

Floyd-Sugar Shane will UNDOUBTEDLY Generate MORE PPV Sales than Pac-Clottey, which May or May Not Affect the New Set of Negotiations for Floyd-Pac...OBVIOUSLY, Floyd's Gonna DEMAND that Pac Undergo Olympic Styled Testing Or @ the VERY LEAST, Settle for LESS than a 50-50 Split...

Pac will HAVE to Compromise on the SPLIT or TESTING when it's All Said & Done...



REED:hammert:

 

Mosley hasn't fought since he beat Margarito. There were a couple times since then when the fight could've gotten made.

 

Sure. But one can hardly blame Pacquiao for fighting Cotto instead of Mosley, seeing as Cotto beat Mosley, and Floyd avoided fighting Cotto with the excuse "he lives in Puerto Rico".

Floyd could've fought Shane instead of Marquez too.

 

There wouldn't really be any grounds for demanding a bigger split. Well the only reason there would be, is if Floyd thrashed Shane with ease, and Manny struggled badly with Clottey or even lost to him, or the Pacman - Clottey numbers were awful.

Obviously Floyd against Shane is going to do better numbers than Pacquiao - Clottey, that goes without saying. Who cares about Clottey.

Floyd has certainly got a better opponent out of this whole palaver, but one upped Manny?

Not really. Floyd looked like he backed out of the fight just as much as Manny looked like he was on roids.

I hope the fight does happen though, but I have no idea if it's going to now.

 

Yea, but Pac fought the guy who beat him instead.

 

the bias of mexican wedding shirt is alarming. give it a rest, you like pacquaio. we get it

 

Mex why do you bother arguing with floyd nuthuggers.

 

But According to the "Logic" of Pac Sac Swingers, Pac EARNED Parity w/Floyd Because Pac-Cotto Did BETTER #'s than Floyd-Marquez...NEVERMIND that Cotto was ALSO a PROVEN Draw & Marquez NEVER WAS a Draw...

& NEVERMIND that Floyd OUTSOLD Pac Against ALL of their Common Opponents (Dela, Hatton AND Marquez)...REED loves ya, Brother Mex, but Guys like YOU INSISTED Pac DESERVED Parity Based on the Cotto Fight OUTSELLING Floyd's Bout w/Marquez...Yet NOW U're Telling REED that if Floyd-Shane OUTSELLS Pac-Clottey, NATHAN Should Change???:dunno:...

The Guy that's PROVEN to B a Bigger Draw ALWAYS Gets the Lions Share of the Purse, EXCEPT for when it's Floyd Mayweather & Manny Pacquiao???...Is THAT what U're Saying???



REED:dunno:

 

If Floyd wants to "UP" Manny he can climb in the ring and beat him.

Until he does that, he is pfp#2

But once again, we have more "Victory By Proxy" for Floyd.

And beating Mosley wont change a God-Damned thing. Not after the whupping Pac put on Cotto.

 

And here we go again.

 

But I already said in this thread, if Pac's PPV numbers suck - and are worse than expected, and Floyd's PPV numbers against Mosley are excellent, better than expected, then sure, there could be reason to warrant Floyd getting more than 50%.

I also think there is a bigger disparity in draw power between Mosley/Clottey than Cotto/Marquez. Well actually I don't think, I know ::

And regarding one upping Pacquiao, well in my opinion, one upping Pacquiao would have been saying OK fuck the olympic style testing alltogether, getting in the ring with Pacquiao, and beating him.

 

Not sure, I just feel compelled to, and it's kind of fun :hammert:

That and I'm doing some particularly difficult work at the moment, so even this stale Pacquiao - Floyd debate is a somewhat welcome respite ::

 

mayweather jr vs mosley will double the number of buys pacquiao clottey does

 

The ENTIRE Boxing World Makes "So Much About the #'s", Dog...How Else R Purse Splits & Things of that Nature Determined???...So R the #'s RELEVANT or NOT???...

U Tell REED??...

REED:dunno:

 

Yep...

We're HERE to "Argue" about Boxing Topics...If/When it Becomes TIRESOME, we ALL Have the Option to just IGNORE that Particular Topic...



REED:hammert:

 

I would imagine it would be at least double, yep.

But again, there is a bigger disparity in draw power between Shane and Clottey, than Cotto and Marquez.

Also, even though Cotto is of course a bigger draw than Marquez, I feel things were evened out slightly by the fact that a comeback fight for a big name fighter naturally generates more excitement than just a routine fight.

 

But U're OVERLOOKING the FACT that Many Even Questioned Mayweather's Drawing Power Coming Into that Bout...It was Believed that Mayweather was "Only" a Draw BECAUSE of Gatti, Dela & Hatton...


REED:hammert:

 

people have plenty of excuses for why mayweather jr does well on ppv.

the simple fact of the matter is that his last 4 fights will have done much, much more ppv business than anyone in the history of sport has done in a 4 fight span.

 

If Lennox Lewis came back tomorrow to fight Vitali or Wlad, he'd probably put up a million buys or more. Comeback fights generally do well for most boxers. Floyd was gone for some years so interest was there. Plus Marquez is quite popular but a few weight classes too small.

 

Pac/Mosley would whup Floyd/Clotty I think. Floyd/Mosley is a more appealing fight though. No doubt.

 

Well, that would just be stupid.

The Oscar fight did insane numbers mainly because of Oscar, and the fact that there was insane marketing done on that fight, including the first ever 24/7. In all honesty, I think part of the reason for those numbers were the amount of haters both sides attract, many people would have tuned in in the hope of seeing whichever one they hate more lose ::

But the other fights you mentioned? No doubt Floyd played the main role in those fights, so those numbers were more down to him.

Also, I said before this whole thing, that it should be split 50/50. I think their drawing power is very similar. There's no doubt Floyd is a draw (somehow :: ) but Manny is the "it" fighter, and has been for a couple of years. As is common knowledge, he has pretty much carried boxing recently.

So anyway, I think it should stay 50/50, unless like I said, the numbers are way different than we predict.

I expect Floyd - Mosley to at least twice as much (likewise, if the opponents were switched, I would also think Pac - Mosley would do at least twice as much as Floyd - Clottey).

So it's really only if Pacman - Clottey does much lower than that that I think he would deserve less than 50/50, or indeed, if Pacman sells as much against Clottey as Floyd against Shane, then I would say he deserves more than 50% ::