Let's Play a Game...PUNCHER? NOT a Puncher?...

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  1. REEDsART

    REEDsART MATCHMAKER

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    N the Sense that he REGULARLY Drops,Stops or Badly Hurts an Opponent,w/SINGLE Shots...


    1. Manny Pacquiao (Let's Start w/the OBVIOUS)???...

    2. Raffy Marquez(DUH)??...

    3. JM Marquez???...

    4. Juan Diaz???...

    5. Miguel Cotto???...

    6. Jose Luis Castillo???...



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  2. REEDsART

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    Antonio Margarito???...Paul Williams??...Joe Calzaghe???...Mikkel Kessler???...Chad Dawson???...Antonio Tarver???...Jean-Marc Mormeck???...



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  3. Double L

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    it's not binary. it's a continuum imo. some fighters are better punchers than others. some are sick punchers. and some can't punch at all (see PBF).
     
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    So N Summation,EVERYBODY Can Punch???...

    Except Flizzoid???:dunno: ...


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    Margarito went on something like a 10 year KO streak at welterweight aside from 1 opponent or something like that, I think it's fair to say he's a devistating puncher, he had the durable iron-chinned Clottey stunned bad in round 9, had him shivering in the corner, covering up in pain.

    :nono: and if you're starting with the obvious?.. What about Wlad?..when he starts to let that right hand go, you know something's probably gunna break.
     
  6. Double L

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    he can punch. but barely. :lol: but my larger point is that fighters differ in their degree of power, not whether or not they have power. and this is what makes it a very debatable topic. it's easier to talk about which of two fighters punches harder than it is to pretend there's some natural threshhold a fighter must pass before he can be considered a puncher.
     
  7. Eaner v2.0

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    at 130 is Manny still considered a one punch type fighter?

    to me guys like Rafa, Ponce, Giovanni Segura, Wlad come to mind
     
  8. Jake

    Jake WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    To me, a "puncher" is someone that can take you out or alter the course of a fight with a single punch at any given moment. So, of the names you (TWIN) mentioned, Pac and Raffy are the only two mentioned who undoubtedly fit the criteria. I might add Tarver's name there as well.

    Cotto and Castillo can punch, but are far more inclined to wear you down via accumulation, and/or win a war of attrition. Margarito can be lumped into here, to a lesser degree, though I would never categorize him as puncher. He gets by more on being bigger and physically stronger than his opponents. Mormeck also fits in here, but opposite of Margarito, as he's usually at a size DISadvantage, just that he's thicker than most other cruisers (not unlike Kelvin Davis when he still campaigned at the weight).

    JMM is a boxer who has power, but not necessarily a boxer-puncher. Paul Williams is along the same lines, though from a completely different style perspective. Mikkel Kessler probably fits in here as well, though he seems to possess more singular punch power than JMM or P-Will.

    Diaz is a volume puncher, but more of the Paulie Ayala variety, where he'll outlast and outpunch you in a brawl, but a stoppage is far from guaranteed. Chad Dawson is everything people pretend is the case for Williams, except that P4P Williams has better pop. Calzaghe would probably be closer to the puncher/boxerpuncher categories if not for so many hand injuries and now being reduced to a shoe-shining slapper.

    Did I miss anyone?
     
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    Eaner v2.0 WBC Champion

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    did you get to see Gio this Friday?

    kid is crude but fuck if he dont have bricks for hands
     
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    Manny Pacquiao
    Rafael Marquez
    Wladimir Klitschko
    Kelly Pavlik
    Israel Vazquez
    Antonio Tarver
    David Haye
     
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    :rolleyes: Jake please,.. he's not even the 5th biggest welterweight in his division, he beat Cintron who dwarfed him, now he takes on Paul Williams, who dwarfs Mark Suarez, who dwarfs Cintron.
     
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    Punchers?

    Pacquiao
    Bell
    Marquez
    Haye
    Klitischko
    Berrio
    Pavlik
    Judah
    Mayol
    Valero
    Gonzalez
    Darchinyan
     
  13. The Cuban Hawk

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    If that's your criteria, then...

    1. Yes
    2. Yes
    3. No
    4. No
    5. Yes
    6. No
     
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    :laughing:

    I knew you couldn't resist mentioning PBF in your contribution.
     
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    Fraud can punch when he committs, but the thing is he is content to pot shot. I think at 140-147, if Fraud sat on a punch he could ring a lot of the top welterweights bells.
     
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    no, no, no, yes, no, no, yes
     

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