What you guys think of Lomachenko? It's quite a challenge to take on a rugged veteran like Salido in your second fight. I know he's the betting favourite but I still find it's a very ballsy move from top rank to let him face a fighter like Salido that early in his career. The guy is pretty young, is he a potential pfp superstar?
If he can beat Salido that would be impressive and that would make him a potential p4p superstar in my eyes. He is not tested in 12 round fights with a pressure fighter like that at all. If he can't get him out of there early and nothing suggests that he could, that will be a long and hard fight for him. It is a very intriguing fight because of the circumstances and either way if he wins it will be impressive. The odds on Salido are imo a bit high.
He's already 26. Obviously not "old" but well past the age of a talented prospect who can afford careful matchmaking. I've only seen highlights. Clearly doesn't require a diet of bums to learn the pro game. He looks "ready" but that's all I can go by personally. Whether or not he's for real, I still believe he's being fast tracked based on age more than ability.
Can't wait for this. Salido has been down many times throughout his career, but it's a tough job keeping him down.
I can't believe this fight is happening tbh. As some of you know I've always been big on Chenko, but fighting someone like Salido in your 2nd pro fight? I can't help thinking Salido is going to win. Has anyone ever fought, let alone beaten someone as good as Salido in their 2nd pro fight? Salido isn't great, but he is strong, aggressive, relatively tough, determined etc. The sort of guy you surely need some real seasoning to beat.
Pete Rademacher fought Floyd Patterson in his first pro fight and in his second fight he fought Zera Folley. He was koed in both fight and it was another era but it's still pretty impressive.
lomachenko is a bad motherfucker. it must also be noted that he's facing a proven cheater in his 2nd pro fight. that takes balls especially considering you can be juiced to the hilt in hegmanville, usa
I find it really bizarre matchmaking as well. Even Guillermo didn't have as tough of fights that early and he was tested pretty thoroughly by Ricardo Corodoba even though the fight was deemed a lot closer than it was in reality. At the minimum you will see what you have with this guy.
INTRIGUING Fight for Sure... Even those that Beat Salido Very Rarely Come Out UNSCATHED...If Lomachenko Walks Through Salido & DOMINATES him, we've Got a STAR in Our Midst... REED:elmo:
I wouldn't be surprised if Lomanchenko wins but, after seeing his pro debut, I don't think he ll be able to keep up the pace and dirty infighting Salido is gonna bring.
Lomachenko was more effective in 08 when he KOed everybody in amateurs and took the gold. He hasn't been as impressive after he moved up in weight in '12 as his power seems not to be all that, but his skills are still superb and he should win this, but not easily
It's an intriguing evening. 2nd fight? Insane. But lets not complain. Its a no lose for us the fans and its a no lose for Lomachenko. He's expected to win but he is also expected to lose. We get a rematch if he loses too. Imagine being one of the hottest prospects in boxing and being 1-1 after your first two fights and people being still excited :dunno:
The Gift of HINDSIGHT Tells Us Lomachenko's Team was a Bit Tooooooooooooo AMBITIOUS w/the Matchmaking... Even if he'd Won Last Night, What Would the Next Move Have Been???...@ the Rate they were Going, he May have Been HEADLINING PPV's by his 5th Fight:scared:... This Loss Will Ultimately HELP Lomachenko...Top Rank Can PUMP the Brakes on the Hype & Aggressive Opponent Selection for a Bit...Give the Guy Some Top 10-15 Contenders to FEAST On for his Next Few Bouts & Revisit the ELITE Level This Time NEXT Year... Dude will Likely STILL Be as Good as Previously Advertised, it just May Take a TAD Looooooooonger than Bob Arum Hoped... REED:mj:
not only was salido looking typically juiced he was 147 lbs and allowed to cheat during the fight. ridiculous
i dont see it that way. lomachenko can beat anyone at featherweight aside from maybe donaire. gonzalez and mares are not options so i wont count them. he could win a title in his very next fight against gradovich.
That's just It... Had Lomachenko WON Last Night, Top Rank Would Almost HAVE to Match him & Donaire by his 3rd, 4th or 5th Fight, Which is Ballsy to the Point of STUPIDITY...Then What, Rigondeaux by his 6th or 7th Fight???:dunno:... @ 26, or Whatever he Is, an ACCELERATED Course is Obviously Necessary, but Facing Salido 2 Fights Deeeeeeeeeep is the Ultimate RUSH Job...Hell, in a Mere 2 Fights, Lomachenko's ALREADY Faced TOUGHER Opposition than GGG has...REED is Only Suggesting Stepping Back SLIGHTLY, by Facing Top 10-15 Guys for the Next Few Bouts...Maybe Do a RE w/Salido LATE 2014/EARLY 2015... Dude Needs SEASONING First...He's Still ACCLIMATING Himself to the Pro Game...REED Isn't Saying Lomachenko Needs to PAD his Record, but 2-3 Resume Builders Certainly WOULDN'T Hurt... REED:mj:
Agreed, it's not all or nothing. They should have matched him tough-ish sure, not total scrubs, but a world class pressure fighter like Salido in your second pro fight? It's insane. As I said, he actually did better than I expected.
Irish, your recent posts leave something to be desired. Time to up your game old boy. Maybe time to resurrect the limericks?
There once was a young fellow called Shirt Whose Origins were positively dirt When he wasn't heaping misery on Gods green fold With his little designer bag of Jew Gold He was visiting on this forum great mirth.
There Once Was A Fellow Called Chenko Who Was Matched Harder Than Arkady Renko He Could Deal With The Commies And He Had No Problem With Pommies Until He Ran Into A Cheat Called Salido.
It is really hard to gauge his talent given how he looked last night. Right now he just looks like an athletic spurt fighter with little craft, but it too early to dismiss him entirely. Andre Ward looked similarly awful in his first 10 and now he's P4P number 2.
From what I did see I am a bit worried about his counterpunching ability and his punching power. He has good feet but doesn't attack(until the last two rounds) , he has good hand speed and athleticism but chooses to move away from punches rather than slip them and move his head. A guy like Salido comes in he has no instincts at all to punch him coming in and instead just holds...and holds...and holds. Biggest reason he lost was because he seemed weak on the inside...constantly holding and Salido powering out in the clinch and punching him with free hands on the inside, and Salido seemingly having no respect for his power. I rewatched the Garcia fight just to see if I was looking at a different fighter and at the end of the very first round Salido chases Garcia and gets floored with a left hook . This is a point in a fighter's head where he says "Okay...can't do that anymore" and from there it's a pretty one sided fight. Lomachenko isn't really a strong guy he's going to need to develop respectable counter punching skills...something that is fairly null in an amateur game that eschews damage for point fighting.
Yeah, the Sense of URGENCY Top Rank Had w/Lomachenko is PUZZLING... It's Probably BEST he Lost, Because the Pressure Would've Only INCREASED to Reach Even HIGHER for his 3rd Bout...There's a Happy MEDIUM between BABYSITTING a Guy/PADDING his Record & Pursuing Top Opposition/RUSHING Him... Get Lomachenko 4 MORE Fights in 2014, 3 of them Against Top 5-10-15'ers & Go for a RE w/Salido LATE 2014/EARLY 2015...Salido ISN'T Getting Any Better, Whereas Lomachenko will Be ALOT Better by Then...The Loss WON'T Hurt Lomachenko in the Looooooooooong Run, but Top Rank has Placed an AVOIDABLE "L" on the Record of their Highly Touted Guy... REED:mj:
