Mayweather Sr. Believes Pac Is Doping And Preferred Floyd To Avoid.

Thats my belief...and I deduce it from this interview:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldUEDoNEI7E

Try to ignore the annoying Filipina interviewess, pause it at 3:08 and look at the expression on Sr's face...study it. He believes Pac is on the same shit co Panama Al had Pryor- that ability to soak up shots and come straight back. Again, look at Sr's face.....I think he has seen something in Pac he has seen before somewhere else. Since when did Sr. not want to comment on something? Since when has he kept his mouth shut? All of a sudden Mayweather Sr. is verbally hesitant. Thats a first.

I think that is why he prefers Floyd to avoid, that Floyd could be getting into something he cannot get out of.

I cannot prove a thing, but I dont know about Freddie Roach. I just don't know. Here is a man who is in the throes of a debilitating physical disease. He is trying to make money left and right before its too late. Has a lot of fingers in a lot of pies. Surely, he would not lack motive. Who else is he training? Big names?

In Roaches defence? Well...Sr. alluded to the way Cotto snapped back Mannys head and Manny just took it like it was nothing. Well, Margarito took them the same. So do we assume that Margarito was on Roids too? Or is it more reasonable that Margarito is a naturally bigger man that Pacquaio and was able to absorb the shots?

 

Mayweather Sr. has been saying that shit for a while....


Pacquiao is doing steroids...my son should not fight him....my son will beat him easy anyway...but he should not fight him :notallthere: yea leave 25 mil on the table...against a lil junkie you can beat easily..

 

I hope Floyd and his criminal trog father die soon.

 

Thats one way of looking at it. I just was attracted by what I regarded as pure conviction {no jokes, please} in Sr's eyes.

I believe he sees something he doesn't like.........and that there do remain unanswered questions about Mannys ability to just absorb shots like they were nothing.

 

yea his son getting ko the fuck out uncle Roger vs. Rocky Lockridge style...

 

Bless you. I hope Chinus wills it.

 

I dont see Pac taking all that many devastating shots in his recent fights, you guys are making it sound like he's Tex Cobb

And why would we take anything Sr. says seriously?

 

No, we DON'T ASSUme that...Margarito DWARFED Cotto...Margarito's Fought @ Jr. Middle & Shrunk Down to Welter for MORE of an Advantage...Cotto Basically DWARFED Pacquiao...Put Margarito & Pacquiao Next to Each Other & Pac would Comparitively Look like a CHILD....

Either Pac's Chin is Simply AMAZING (Like 1 of the Best Chins EVER "Amazing"), OR...???.....



REED:dunno:

 

He Took a Handful of BIG Shots in the Early Going Of the Cotto Fight, C-Doggy Dog...



REED:hammert:

 

According to the tale of the tape only Cotto's thighs were clearly bigger than Manny's, otherwise they were nearly the same size in everything. Also I don't know how steroids would cause your chin to improve.

If you want to suspect Manny for taking some illegal stuff (and as with most top athletes there is a reason to) then ask how did he become a legit sized welterweight that quickly

 

The Tale of the Tape is EMBELLISHED in Pac's Case, PARTICULARLY when it Comes to his HEIGHT...Cotto was CLEARLY the TALLER (Which he RARELY is), THICKER Bodied Fighter...

Manny Pacquiao is a LITTLE Dude...That CAN'T B Emphasized Enough...

REED:hammert:

 

But Cotto has never been a one-hitter quitter, and Pac has always had a good chin, in the early stages of his career he was stopped on bodyshots

and what drug will give you a better chin?

PCP? You wouldnt be able to hide that

and despite the fact that Jaws and TroubleMel are retarded and cant accept the truth, putting cocaine in a water bottle wont do anything for you except give you a stomach ache... (to counter their one tireless argument once more, Coca Cola soft drink in the early days had MINUTE traces of Cocaine compared to a about 9000 parts Sugar and Caffeine, hence the "Pep" one felt from drinking one)

Steroids certainly wont help you grow a chin

I just think until one can deduce what drug would make you be able to defy unconsciousness, we shouldnt make accusations. If you hit a guy hopped up on PCP with a cement block you will knock him cold... he wont FEEL it, but he will be KOd ... like I said, there would be no way to HIDE that sort of a drug because of the psychological effects, Pac would be acting crazy... so we know he isnt on the dust

After that, what is there?

There is no drug that could prevent being KOd, because that is an involuntary reaction, having nothing to do with pain threshold or willpower

There are a drugs that numb or almost eliminate pain, but they have all have undesirable side effects of either immense slugishness (in the case of Morphine, Oxycodone, Percocet or something significantly stronger like Hydromorphone [aka Dilaudid] ) which would be devastating for a fighter OR intense psychological reactions (such as PCP or the amount of cocaine needed to make pain bearable) which would also badly hamper judgement and consequently, performance

Once could deduce that Pacquaio may be on a regimen of drugs that have made him bigger and stronger, but his ability to take punches is not a smoking gun that would support such allegations, simply because there arent any drugs available that would have that effect without far more damaging (to a boxer) side effects

 

What he said...

 

Yes, Pac found steroids that improve his chin. Lovely.

 

Oh the only way he can be that good is if he's on steroids? Pssshhh. Ridiculous and to be honest, a bit annoying.

 

The only way I can think of how steroids could improve chin is that you could train your neck muscles harder and thus prevent your head from snapping back which causes knockouts. However Manny's head did tilt back, it just had no effect on him.

That being said, either Manny is a very weird physical freak, he is on roids, or both

 

I see that REED has said in this thread not to forget that Pacquiao is significantly the smaller man. That's, of course, to further his case that Pacquiao is doping.

I wonder if he'll change his tune if PBF beats him, and once again, we'll be left wondering how PBF would've fared against a legitimate welterweight.

 

Quite simply, there are no steroids that are going to improve your chin ::

Even a high end painkiller is not going to improve your chin. Stop you feeling pain yes, but preventing the physics reaction of neurons shutting down from being hit in the jaw? No.

 

That's the POINT of this Thread, Doub...CLEARLY, Manny Pac IS a SIGNIFICANTLY SMALLER Man, yet he's Also Now PROVEN Himself to B a LEGITIMATE Welterweight...Not in Terms of SIZE, but in Terms of what he's ACCOMPLISHED...

What this Dude is Doing is Soooooooooo Impressively IMPROBABLE, U have to @ Least WONDER if he's Doping...Anybody that Says the Idea of Pac Juicing HASN'T Crossed their Mind is LYING to Themselves....



REED:hammert:

 

Exactly. It's not like he suddenly has a Tyson like neck.

He just has a great chin. His head snapped back, and nothing, he just walked through the shots, he wasn't even stunned.

 

Doping definitely can improve your chin.

 

There are a lot of muscles in the human body...like the muscles in the neck and the jaw. If those are strengthened, they support those areas and help protect them from harm as does a properly-fitted mouthpiece.

I don't think a fighter's skull would be thickened, but muscles and connective tissue definitely could be.

Pac always looked really skinny and superdefined at his lower weightclasses. If he were roiding, wouldn't it have been caught by now?

 

Cotto HAS Always Been a Heavyhanded, CONSISTENT 2-Fisted Puncher Though, C-Dogg...Not CONCUSSIVE w/1 Shot, but a Possessor of RESPECTABLE Single Shot POP...Then Factor in Cotto's ACCURACY...REED's Always Seen Cotto as a Julio Cesar ChavezESQUE Puncher...No, he Won't Bang U Out Early, but his Power DOESN'T Dissipate Either...

Pacquiao's Loss to Torrecampo WASN'T a Bodyshot, he was Caught FLUSH on the Grill & Left in a DAZED HEAP on the Canvas....& Torrecampo was Actually Much SMALLER than Pac was...CERTAINLY, Cotto hits MUCH Harder than Torrecampo, who was a FLYWEIGHT???:dunno:...

The FACTS R, Manny Pac has Moved Up a CONSIDERABLE Amount of Weight Classes, MAINTAINING Incredible Speed AND Power...& his Punch Resistance Seems to have IMPROVED...In his Last Fight @ 130, JM Marquez BADLY ROCKED Pac, yet Cotto COULDN'T even Budge him???....



REED:hammert:

 

fighters who are weight-drained, as Pacquiao no doubt was as a flyweight, are always more susceptible to being hurt than fighters who are fighting closer to their natural weights.

 

R U just SAYING Pac was Weight Drained, Because it SOUNDS Good, or Were U PRIVY to his Training Camps & Therefore Know this to B FACT???....



REED:hammert:

 

It seems to me....that nobody of reasonable mind can examine the case of Manny Pac and not, at least ponder for one moment, how a man who debuted at just around 115lbs can absorb, without flinching, the shots of Miguel Cotto. Just think about that.

However, Mayweather JR. inadvertently, indirectly flipped that issue on his head when he noted the young age Pac debuted at, stating that yes, Floyd Mayweather Jr also once weighed in at around 115lbs, and that people are fooled by this argument of how far Manny has come up in weight. He has a point, and it raises the question {albeit indirectly}- is Manny actually a real 140lb fighter who made much lower weights by fighting in his teens, and that, in all fairness, his punch resistance should increase as he rises, rather than decrease.

This is not a witch-hunt thread, its an objective examination of the situation.

 

Exactly...

REED Certainly ISN'T Proclaiming Pac a "Cheater", but we can ALL Acknowledge that his Run is Basically UNPRECEDENTED...While in the Midst of Witnessing Something NEVER Seen B 4, it's NATURAL to @ Least QUESTION the Legitimacy of it...



REED:hammert:

 

It's common knowledge that towards the end of his flyweight days, Pacquiao was weight drained, and that's why he moved up not 1, but a few weight divisions straight after. He must have been pretty badly weight drained.

Honestly though, his chin was good even as a flyweight.

 

How exactly? I want the scientific reasons.

 

And if he was weight-drained, then it lends legitimacy to the belief {for those of us that have it} that Pacman is a naturally larger man than his early days first suggested.

The flip-side, of course, is how can a man get KO'd by a flyweight and then not be hurt by Cotto.

My guess is that Pacman has matured physically, that he takes a better shot at 140 and gives a better shot. Also, he has matured technically from jab-jab-left to a more complete fighter.

On the other hand {I know I am starting to sound like Tevye here} Pac may be cheating.

The bottom line is we just don't know. Mayweather Sr seems genuinely perturbed by what he regards as seemingly unlikely degree of success {and manner of that success}on Pacs behalf. On the other hand, Mayweather is a former cheat himself. On the other hand.......{Topol!}........maybe it takes cheat to know a cheat.

One thing is for sure....Pac, if he is cheating, is getting inside help. Nobody in boxing wants him caught...there is too much $$$ at stake.