MIA List

Where are these guys?:dunno:

Jeff Lacy

Winky Wright

David Tua

 

winky trying to get a fight with pavlik, tua is in his fifth comeback and Lacy still licking his wound from the Calzaghe beating ::

 

David Tua is fat

 

I agree.

 

Tell me about it.... People seem to want some sort of arcane sociological explanation for why the division sucks, like more big athletes taking up Gridiron, Basketball, the declining popularity of the sport in the US, etc, etc. But BY FAR the biggest reason is that none of these fat bastards train properly any more! Imagine if Sam Peter was a trim hard 215-220lb? I'd imagine he'd be pretty useful! Hell say the same for McCline, Rahman, Corrie Sanders, Brewster, Tua, Gomez, Maskaev, Williams, Toney, Briggs, Mercer, Johnson, McCall and a dozen other guys from the last 20 years. That's a whole generations talent pool who have robbed themselves of the chance to put together a consistent run, build some momentum, confidence and name recognition through their own laziness. People talk about the incredible glut of talent there was int he 60's and 70's in the heavyweigth division but just imagine if the 70's generation had trained like the 00's generation! Haven't these dullards noticed that there have been precisely THREE great heavyweights of the last 20 years and they were the three who ALWAYS came into the ring in pristine condition (the couple of times one of them didn't he was found out)? And that the only two men approaching that level in the last decade were the two (brothers) who did likewise? Truly, talent's overrated....it's is like firing a space shuttle off a tall mountain, an advantage sure, but having enough fuel is way more important.

Fuck the heavyweight division, I hope they all get ball cancer.:shit:

 

Does anyone really care?
I mean, one has a solitary-punch, one is utterly dull to watch and the other is just fat.

 

I think Lacy opened a car dealer

 

:doh: yeah, very probably one day every heavyweight of the planet decided to stop training just for the hell of it AND there is NOBODY on this whole fucken PLANET that would just train a bit and take over the decision. Sounds flawless to me

Another reason could be that running is not as important anymore since the sport has changed and those slim guys just can't be competitive anymore. But nah

 

I agree that these fat asses need to get in shape

 

You're an ass, as usual. A few have decided to train properly as I've said. The Klitchkoe brothers have been by far the stand out fighters of this decade - both very lean and fit CONSISTENTLY. Before that Lewis, Holyfield and Tyson were the three men, just about the ONLY three men who you could reliably expect to show up to fights in top class shape and they collectively dominated from 86-02.

As for the sport changing - it hasn't changed at all. You still need aerobic and anaerobic fitness, explosiveness and speed and 25lb of lard (or 25lb of bodybuilding muscle for that matter) is still a huge fucking burden to achieving those things. If anything the move away from long distance running should have made guys leaner if it was replaced with anaerobic interval training. Bottom line is these fat losers aren't training or eating like professionals.

 

So it is just that nobody is interested in making millions of dollars?

 

:bears:

Exactly. The fin doesn't know what on earth he is talking about.

The sport hasn't changed at all. Boxers earn more money, fight "not to lose" more, and the heavyweight division is fatter. That's it.

Society has become wilder and less disciplined, and this is reflected in the heavyweight division ONLY, as they are the only weight class without a contractual weight limit.

 

So why don't we see it in ANY OTHER SPORT? Why do they break world records everyhere else, it is just one division of fighters who don't care about winning anymore?

 

It's a mystery.

But it's not that the sport has changed, because it hasn't really. A couple of minor changes like I said, but nothing major.

If the sport had changed so dramatically like you suggest, Povetkin wouldn't still be undefeated.

And Wlad, lean, fit and slim at 6'6 wouldn't be at the top of the division. Someone heavier and fatter would be.

 

I really have no idea. But you can't seriously think that these guys are training like they should?

 

for the brits......Jawaid Khalliq!?!?!

....one minute he's on the phone to Vernon Forrest and then..... :dunno:

 

No. I think heavyweight boxing nowadays is more about power and single punches than ever before. Wlad is first and foremost big enough puncher (at 245 lbs) and the fact that he is tall and has good technique sets him apart from the rest. These fat guys don't look spectacular and their stamina sucks, but they have too much pure strength to overcome slim guys, that's why there are no more runner types at the top. That is the same reason why wevhave weight classes and why heavyweights have always beaten light-heavies

 

it really is a mystery. It started in the 80's, but it was really only the advent of superheavyweights like Lewis and Bowe that led to it becoming epidemic. I can only guess that lighter guys looked at the scales and thought they needed extra mass to compete, as if 30lb of fat was gonna be an advantage in their careers. The greater variation in sizes has also meant you had some guys tactically manipulating their weight fight by fight and where as before if a guy showed up 11lb heavier than his last fight people (rightly) immediately started questioning his conditioning and desire now it's almost an accepted part of the sport. So the pressure to train like an athlete wanes. Social proof is a significant psychological phenomenon, if your peer group is all fat your statistically much more likely to follow suit as well as rationalize it as being normal/ a good idea.

 

this might be right to a large extent - a good big man will beat a good little man, all things being equal (although at heavyweight the law of diminishing returns comes into play - Joe Louis and Earnie Shavers hit hard enough to KO anybody). BUT...a good little man doesn't BECOME a good big man by putting on 25lb. That's the fallacy that these people are buying into. He's still a little man, but now he's an out of shape little man. Guys like Brewster, Rahman, Toney etc, etc, etc would have been much more effective fighters at 215-220.

 

Lacy is supposed to fight on the Mosley-Judah undercard in May.

Tua is supposed to fight in July in the Ukraine.

Wright has no fight on the horizon.