Michael Moorer vs. Frank Bruno in '93

So basically we get the Moorer before the Holy fight vs. the Bruno that was ahead on the cards against Lummox Lewis

 

Does Moorer have Teddy Atlas in his corner to remind him of that time young Michael and his dad went fishing, and Michael couldn't catch a fish for 8 hours, but then finally got one and it got away, because he didn't reel it in hard enough, and how disappointed his dad was and no matter how well Michael did in school it didn't matter, and when his dad passed away that day he whispered in Michael's ear "I wish I had a daughter.." and now Michael's dad is looking down from Heaven, and this is Michael's chance to redeem himself, and finally become the son his dad always wanted. Or not?

 

I think Moorer gets caught at some point.

 

Disagree... I think Moorer wins this... He gets dropped early, but I think he turns the tables and eventually stops Frank around the 10th

 

Bruno was a vicious puncher and good finisher if nothing else, I think once he had him hurt that'd be all she wrote for Moorer.

 

Were there any guys that actually were able to get off the mat and beat Bruno after being put down? I can't recall

 

Nope, he didn't drop anybody in a title fight and although he was winning handily against Bonecrusher he never put him down.

 

Bruno was Usually A Quick STARTER as Well...It's Very Easy to Imagine him JUMPING on Moorer, who was CHINNY @ Heavyweight, & Finishing him Early...



REED:fightme:

 

Yeah, could easily be a Tua-Moorer redux.. Moorer was old/past it at that point, but then so was Tua

I remember before that fight a good friend of mine insisted Tua was "a fat bum" and Moorer would school him. I told him Moorer would be gone with the first punch that landed.. I didn't think it'd be as quick as it was, though

 

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I don't have a clue on this one. Two chinny, mentally shaky guys with a punch and decent skills....Moorer is chinnier but Bruno has shittier stamina. Not that Moorer could be counted on to push that advantage home. Pretty much anything could happen.

 

I think Bruno would fuck him up.

 

Did he ever floor a single good fighter?

 

I can't see Bruno beating any accomplished heavyweight early... Moorer against Tua is totally ireelevant... Dude was inactive and shot...

 

If Moorer boxed a perfect fight, he'd win, but it is more likely that Bruno finishes him somewhere before 7th

 

:laugh11:

 

It's the X factor. I'm still waiting on Dog Jones to answer me.

 

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moorer didnt even train for the tua fight. his fat ass would just lay around the gym watching other guys work out and talking shit

 

Same could be said about Holyfield back in '94.

 

I can't see Moorer maintaining discipline against Bruno for 12 rounds.. Bruno did crack like a MF and if he floors Moorer, it's over.

 

I disagree on two counts... I think Bruno was one of the most overrated punchers in history at heavyweight... He had good power but I never saw him as some amazing hitter... His KOs all came over scrubs and shot guys

Two, Until Foreman did it, Moorer had never been one-and-doned by anybody... He was not without mettle... He got off the deck to knock out Bert Cooper (who, if nothing else, was eager and could punch) and he got up off the deck against Evander and soundly outboxed him... Hell, even after he'd been one-punched by Foreman and his confidence was completely shattered, he got up four times against Evander in the rematch... I don't see any way Bruno keeps him down, let alone drops him multiple times and let's not forget, Moorer had enough pop to hurt Bruno as well

 

You make a very good point about Moorer always getting up (apart from Foreman and Tua). That added to the fact that Bruno is usually finished after nine rounds and that Moorer was a slick boxer makes Moorer's victory very possible.

However, even though Bruno didn't KO any really good opponents, apart from Tyson he was never outfought either before he faded (he controlled the bouts early against Lennox, Smith and Spoon), has never outboxed and did score some impressive results against lower-level opponents such as Ferguson (who admittedly was at low-point of his career), Coetzee or Tillis. He definitely had power to hurt Moorer and if not put him out, at least drop him several times to keep the score close.

Also, Moorer as a heavyweight was very overrated puncher too. Granted, you don't have to be Shavers to KO Bruno, but Moorer hardly knocked anyone out. His best KO victim was Botha who went eleven rounds against him. Out of his first 19 bouts as a heavyweight (until his first retirement after the Holy rematch) Moorer scored eight KOs

 

All good points but nevertheless, if Bruno hurts him, imo he hurts him badly. I'm not saying it's "one and done" but that Moorer is hurt badly enough that Bruno is able to follow up and finish. I don't see Moorer hurting him unless it's late, when Bruno would most likely get gassed. If he takes the chance early, that increases the likelihood of him getting stopped.

 

you know what I think???

I wish I could stomp on your children's testicles... so you could feel my pain

 

I wish I could stomp on YOUR children's testicles, so you could feel the pain Moorer felt getting KO'd by Bruno in my imagination

(it was a nutshot)

(in a parallel universe where nutshots are legal)

(and kermit cintron and victor ortiz have balls, to neutralize what would otherwise be an unfair advantage)

 

:::bears:

 

You are overrating Bruno as a puncher. Where are the KOs over quality opponents? Bruno was a pretty good fighter, but he wasn't a truly a big puncher.

 

You are overrating Bruno as a puncher. Where are the KOs over quality opponents? Bruno was a pretty good fighter, but he really wasn't a big puncher.

Which of Bruno's fights against good opposition, outside of an end of the line Coetzee, are the ones that show him to be a big puncher?

 

Bruno was a crushing puncher and Moorer had a shit chin. The best Moorer could hope for is a boring, boring lucky win, but that would be unlikely.

Bruno would win 7 of the first 8 rounds even if he didn't get a knockdown. If Moorer was fighting well, he might win more of the final 4 down the stretch, but it wouldn't be enough.

The pick is Bruno within 4.

How many of these so-called good heavyweights took Bruno's power without reacting like they were hit hard? Even superchin McCall was affected.