Kudos to Pacman for fucking up Oscar's fight by turning down his ludicrous 70/30 split. Now let Oscar take his circus act somewhere else. Personally I hope Oscar never finds an opponent and just fucking retires.
the bad part is that Pacquiao will likely fight Soto now and give him his 10th loss. another meaningless fight. :shit:
Actually that's a fight I very much want to see. Soto is very good dispite his record. Guzman was just a bad matchup for Soto, before that he was on a very long winning streak and he has as good a chance to beat Pacman as Morales, JMM, and MAB did as he is right behind those guys in the skill department. If anything it's Soto's confidence that has me worried. After the Guzman loss I wonder how his psyche is. One thing is for certain though, their styles would make for a very intertaining fight so I don't see why you would consider that a bad thing.
Soto should only have 6 losses. Margarito has 5, does he suck to? :boohoo:Soto is slow but he is a very good fighter. He is strong and hits pretty damn hard. There's no shame in losing to Joan Guzman.
Exactly. Only people would rather see Pac fight Oscar over Soto are the mainstream groupies. Soto is exciting and a good matchup. In fact I'd actually be surprised to see this fight happen. It's the typical all risk no reward fight.
my problem with Soto is that he has been hyped as an elite fighter and he isnt'. I've seen enough of him to know he is nothing but a mediocre fighter. The guy lost to a shot kevin kelly for god's sake. fighting Pacquiao is supposed to be a big deal that you earn. Soto will fight Pacquiao for the same reason that David Diaz fought him. They are both promoted by Arum and they are easy fights. I'ts not just having those losses. He isn't anything special. I already know the outcome of pacquiao/soto I don't care for that fight.
first of all I'm no mainstream groupie. I don't agree with Oscar fighting Pacquiao. But there is at least a risk. With soto there is no Risk which is why Arum has been trying to feed Soto to pacquiao for the longest. only people who think this is a good fight are the ones who buy into the top rank propaganda . You probably also got excited to see the sparring sessing with David Diaz last June. if the only argument is that these are the best available oponents fine. But let's be real and admit pacquiao will beat the shit out of Soto. Hell his brother bobby was able to rock him a few times.
You know the result of a fight that hasn't happened? The last time I checked the results are determined in the ring. I look at Soto as a very live guy. He is bigger than Manny and can without a doubt hurt him. Mediocre? Sorry but no. He's a top 5-10 guy in whatever division he is in. That's not "mediocre". Especially not in the 130-135 divisions. What he did to Lorenzo nobody else had done. He completely fucked him up.
I was not calling you a mainstreamer. Bobby landed one good shot on Soto and that's all it was. I don't remember Soto being hurt by the punch, maybe he was but it was 1 punch and other than that Bobby got dominated. Soto is a very good fighter. I don't know if you're judging him by his record or by his loss to Guzman but him losing to Pac is no sure thing. ....Oh I remember. Your the one who kept harping on the fact that he lost to Kevin Kelly a few years ago as the reason you think so lowly of him. I remember now. Consider this dropped, your mind is already made up.
when I say I know the outcome it's a little sarcasm while I make my prediction. You being someone who gambles alot should know this. i'ts funny how you rank the guy without him proving anything. The moment you say he is top 5-10 guy in whatever division he is means you don't care who he beats or losses to. You already made up your mind without merit. The guy was hyped as the dark horse at 130 - he got a tittle shot at Guzman and got schooled. Arum tells Guzman he will never get the Pacquiao fight. But i'ts cool for Soto even though he has proven less at any division. never mind 135! again if Soto is the best available fine. but let's not pretend its' some big fight for Pacquiao.
I judge him based on all the fights I've seen from Soto. He is not an elite fighter he has never proven that he is. so let's stop overrating him. The Kelly loss was bad because if he was supposed to be such a badass even back then no way he should have lost to Kelley. His biggest fight Guzman and got schooled all night. what do you see in this guy that tells you all of a sudden he will beat Pacquiao at 135 - the same pacquiao that is suposed to be better than everybody from there and below? I heard the same bullshit with David Diaz. I called that it was gonna be a one sided sparring session and it was. This is no different. wha will be even funnier is if Arum has the balls to put this on ppv you can see the difference between pacquiao/JMM 2 and Pacquiao/Diaz as popular as Pacquiao is nobody wanna pay to see him beat somebody down till somebody stops the fight. I sure as hell won't pay for that shit.
I look at 130 or 135 and know there isn't 10 fighters better than Soto in either 1. A guy like Amir Khan is considered top 10 at 135, what exactly has he proven? Who has Katsidis beat? You can ask that about a lot of guys at 130 as well. Soto lost a competitive fight with Guzman, but besides a DQ where he was whipping Lorenzo's ass like nobody else, that's the only loss he had in the past 6 years. Pacquiao don't fight like Guzman. Guzman has a better chin and is harder to hit which are pretty important against Soto.
You never heard me say shit about no David Diaz. I don't even know that motherfucker. All I know is when I saw Soto beat the ever loving shit out of Juarez -- more impressively than MAB I might add -- I was an instant fan. His skills are comparable to the big 4 of the division but since he never really got the oppurtunity to prove himself he got overlooked. You have been unfairly judging the guy for the Kevin Kelly loss. I agree that is just a horrible loss to have on your record but at the same time if you've never seen the guy fight and/or just ignore the win streak he just came off of, you're being unfair and biased. There is such a thing as improvement.
Soto did not get schooled by Guzman. He got skunked by him. He landed the cleaner shots and in my opnion won the fight. Guzman fights like a bitch.
Gotta admit...I'm over the moon this bullshit fight is not happening..Fuck DLH...This would have ended bad for Manny...shot DLH or not. DLH should fight another old-timer like Trinidad for his farewell.
I agree. What made DLH watchable was his relevence and his taking on the best. He just wants a paycheck. He took tune ups but you knew his next fight would be big. There isn't a fight I would like to see him in anymore.
After reading that Manny wants 40/60, and Oscar offered 30/70 with a guaranteed minimum of 10 million dollars, I have to say Manny is stupid for not taking the fight. He´ll need at least three more fights at 135 to make that kind of money, and not everybody at 135 is a glorified bum like David Diaz.
Same. This is why I wouldn't have a big issue with a Tito rematch - they can both go have their fight, and neither will be holding up the career of a serious contender/champion.
I know he is better than when he lost to Kelley but I don't agree he is an elite fighter. He is a good fighter just not that good. He got a tittle shot against Guzman and clearly lost. Arum tells Guzman he will never land the Pacquiao fight but Soto does? go figure? Normally the winnner of a big fight earns another big fight not the loser. The reason I compare him to Diaz is because they are easy fights for Arum to make since he promotes all of them. But Soto has not shot at Pacquiao. He is not faster, stronger, nor is he more experienced. I've seen Soto fight enough to know what he brings.
early in the fight it was competitive. But eventually Guzman was too fast for him. he would hit Soto, drink a beer and wait for Soto to punch back :laughing: Guzman was even clowning, that's how easy the fight ended up. your on crack if you think Soto won that fight. Fucking ridiculous :laughing: Soto like David Diaz are there to make Pacquiao look good.
Good for Pacquiao...alot of good fights for him between 130-140..no reason to move up and get KO'ed brutally by De La Hoya... only problem will be if he losses anytime soon..a bunch here would say he fucked up by not getting that DLH $$$$...and getting beat by a Guzman/Casa/or Campbell for small $$$....
A fight between me and Oscar wouldn't get in the way of any other serious contenders either. I'll gladly take the 30/70. You listening Oscar!?
According to Roach he will try to convince Pacquiao to take the Oscar fight. He is so sure that Manny will win that he offered to give up his fee if Manny losses the fight. :dunno: He also said the Soto fight would be pointless and ridiculous. I agree about the Soto fight. But he won't beat Oscar. Still it's funny Roach having this attitude.:laughing:
