O.J. - Made In America

O.J. - Made In America

Anybody else catch this Documentary Series on ESPN? It's also available in all 5 parts On Demand without any commercial interruption.

5 Parts, about 8 Hours and it was a pretty effortless watch.

I had misgivings about both the FX series and this documentary when they were announced and was pleasantly surprised by both. They make great companion pieces to each other.

The Doc pretty much covered OJ's entire life, capping off with him being put away for the Las Vegas Memorabilia deal gone bad. Lots of material and tons of interesting footage of OJ I had never seen before. I had not really paid attention to him after the acquittal for the murders, so it was extremely compelling to watch his downward spiral into a cartoon character in the ensuing years.

His earlier life coverage had a lot of interesting moments about him I also wasn't aware of, or hadn't followed at the time.

Highly recommend.

9/10

 

Trailer

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I see that the entire five episodes are in Youtube. I'll check them out before they get taken down.

 

It's worth the watch. It's very cinematic, so it really flies by.

 

Mrs. REED Has Literally Watched EVERY OJ - Murder Themed Piece, Several Times, Yet was BLOWNthefuckAWAY by the Detail and "Hidden" Footage Used in this Latest Documentary...

Excellent Shit!










REED

 

Top, top documentary. :bears:
Watched episode 1 (2 hrs) last night - on ESPN Brasil,...Pt 2 tonight.

 

I'm kinda disappointed in us as the black community that we had OJ's back the entire trial when he never gave a flying mother FUCK about black people... UNTIL his Uncle Tom ass got in hot water.

This isn't like Ali was on trial for murder. OJ INTENTIONALLY separated himself from the black community, yet we still kissed his ass and rode on his back claiming his innocence.

Black, white, or purple, regardless of his race, there's no defending the man. He's a psychopath, and a cold blood killer and I feel no remorse whatsoever that he's locked up and lost everything.

 

Ali or OJ: who do you think was the bigger / better athlete during their prime?

 

this is pretty good...goes well with the 'people vs oj simpson'

 

It's hard to measure the athletic talent of boxers as compared to athletes in other sports. VERY hard. Boxing is unlike any other sport, and unlike football, this isn't a game.

I'll say this...OJ would smoke Ali in a foot race. And OJ I'm sure could bench a whole more than Ali.

But would OJ have the same physical gifts in a boxing ring that Ali had? FUCKKKKKKKK NO!

So if the the question is who's the better athelete - as compared to their own respective sports... Ali by a light year. There's been comparable and even superior Running back talents to OJ. But ain't never been a heavyweight like Ali... not before or since.

 

yeh why did you guys do that? :scratcher:

 

Agreed.

OJ grew up in SF's Potrero Hill projects, which remains one of the most violent and poor parts of the Bay Area (though the rest of Potrero Hill has become yuppied out). I never ever heard about him ever doing jack shit for his old neighborhood other than visiting the rec center like one time in the 70s. My old boxing coach was at the rec center when the trial took place and told me how people there were so passionately defending OJ. The trial turned so racial, when as you said, the guy did absolutely nothing for the black community, not even the one he grew up in.

He's a narcissistic sociopath, who not only murdered two people, but pours salt in the wound by releasing a "hypothetical" book talking about how he would have murdered them.

Jim Brown apparently knew the deal well before the public did. Ralph Wiley once said he was talking to OJ, who was using his superficial charm and acting nice, and Brown took Wiley aside and told him "don't trust OJ, that guy is fucking dangerous".

Yeah, Ali ranks higher as a boxer than OJ as a football player.

Although I still SMH at how insane OJ's 1973 and 1975 seasons were. He ran for over 2,000 yards...in a fourteen game season, on a team with little passing game to distract defensive attention, and he often did it in shitty weather. 143 yards per game in 1973...and about 130 in 1975.

For purely running the ball, 1973 is the best rushing season ever, better than any other 2,000 yard season.

 

Like REED said, I was blown away by the footage and detail in this. Brilliant, one of the best documentaries I have ever seen. Amazing how fast the 8 or so hours went by. I watched it in a couple days, just going from one episode to the next, never getting bored in the slightest.

Thoughts:

-Joe "gy " Bell is a great interview.
-Carl Douglas was a great interview too. Not that I always or even often agreed with him but he was an interesting interview.

"Yeah we did some stuff to his house...if he was Mexican we would have had a sombrero"
"OJ took it back to the street...he took it to Hunters Point" (HP is actually south of Potrero Hill, where OJ is from, but that was kind of my reaction where I heard he robbed those guys for his memorabilia)

-Robert Shapiro trying to act high and mighty after the trial, distancing himself from the defense and how they played the race card, seemed like he was saying "White America, don't be mad at me. Hire me in the future"
-One review I read said it would have been nice if they delved further into the nuances of domestic abuse and the psychology behind it. That would have been good, particularly because of people like that horrible juror Carrie Ness, who blamed Nicole for staying with an abuser. By most accounts, Nicole had left OJ and then she got killed.
-I don't know what to think of Al Cowlings. I kind of think he is in denial and has been manipulated and conned by OJ his whole life. He even remained good friends with OJ after OJ stole his girl (later OJ's first wife). I think they said OJ is the brother he never had. I kind of feel bad for him in one sense, but I have a slight, strange respect for his loyalty.
-I always thought Arnelle Simpson was pretty fine back in the mid 90s.
-I'm curious as to how OJ treated his first wife. Did he abuse her too? Cheat on her relentlessly?
-We got viewpoints on why a lot of black people were so happy when OJ was acquitted, I wish they had gotten more interviews from white people and why they were so upset when OJ was acquitted. People all around the world get away with heinous crimes every day.
-OJ's defense team did a great job and got their client acquitted. But at what cost? It strained race relations across the country. And for whom? OJ freaking Simpson!!?? As said above, he distanced himself from the black community. The story told about how OJ was happy because those white people separated him from "those n--gers" was interesting, and I loved Robert Lipstye's reaction was great. I don't know if OJ was a self-hating black as opposed to an extreme narcissist. Hearing that fed his ego and pathological narcissism.
-Some of those civil rights and religious leaders were annoying as hell, especially the one shameless guy who compared OJ being acquitted to Jackie Robinson breaking the MLB color barrier and quoted MLK's "free at last". I repeat, he said OJ being acquitted of double murder was like Jackie Robinson breaking the color barrier and MLK's famous "free at last" speech. Just ridiculous.

 

Like REED said, I was blown away by the footage and detail in this. Brilliant, one of the best documentaries I have ever seen. Amazing how fast the 8 or so hours went by. I watched it in a couple days, just going from one episode to the next, never getting bored in the slightest.

Thoughts:

-Joe "gy " Bell is a great interview.
-Carl Douglas was a great interview too. Not that I always or even often agreed with him but he was an interesting interview.

"Yeah we did some stuff to his house...if he was Mexican we would have had a sombrero"
"OJ took it back to the street...he took it to Hunters Point" (HP is actually south of Potrero Hill, where OJ is from, but that was kind of my reaction where I heard he robbed those guys for his memorabilia)

-Robert Shapiro trying to act high and mighty after the trial, distancing himself from the defense and how they played the race card, seemed like he was saying "White America, don't be mad at me. Hire me in the future"
-One review I read said it would have been nice if they delved further into the nuances of domestic abuse and the psychology behind it. That would have been good, particularly because of people like that horrible juror Carrie Ness, who blamed Nicole for staying with an abuser. By most accounts, Nicole had left OJ and then she got killed.
-I don't know what to think of Al Cowlings. I kind of think he is in denial and has been manipulated and conned by OJ his whole life. He even remained good friends with OJ after OJ stole his girl (later OJ's first wife). I think they said OJ is the brother he never had. I kind of feel bad for him in one sense, but I have a slight, strange respect for his loyalty.
-I always thought Arnelle Simpson was pretty fine back in the mid 90s.
-I'm curious as to how OJ treated his first wife. Did he abuse her too? Cheat on her relentlessly?
-We got viewpoints on why a lot of black people were so happy when OJ was acquitted, I wish they had gotten more interviews from white people and why they were so upset when OJ was acquitted. People all around the world get away with heinous crimes every day.
-OJ's defense team did a great job and got their client acquitted. But at what cost? It strained race relations across the country. And for whom? OJ freaking Simpson!!?? As said above, he distanced himself from the black community. The story told about how OJ was happy because those white people separated him from "those n--gers" was interesting, and I loved Robert Lipstye's reaction was great. I don't know if OJ was a self-hating black as opposed to an extreme narcissist. Hearing that fed his ego and pathological narcissism.
-Some of those civil rights and religious leaders were annoying as hell, especially the one shameless guy who compared OJ being acquitted to Jackie Robinson breaking the MLB color barrier and quoted MLK's "free at last". I repeat, he said OJ being acquitted of double murder was like Jackie Robinson breaking the color barrier and MLK's famous "free at last" speech. Just ridiculous.

 

Blacks supported OJ, not because they necessarily thought he was innocent or even if they thought he had their backs...it was because it was a black vs white case...and blacks had to endure centuries of blacks being wrongly convicted and executed (even down to children) in black vs white matters and so now that there was a high profile case they wanted him to be acquitted, innocent or not...sort of as a make'up for centuries of injustice. I'm not even an African American and I understand the logic.

 

did it help or change things?.

No.

Twenty years later we have 'Blsck Lives Matter'...

 

It wasn't supposed to change anything. I'm just pointing out the reasons why blacks supported OJ during the trail.

 

Yeah Magus, don't be a dingus. :nono:

 

This documentary is one of THE greatest of all time, not for the OJ>Nicole murder but also the race-riots/issues as depicted throughout.

I thought the 1992 riots would have changed something.....but then aí thought of a classic line:
'The more things change, the more they stay the same'


Sad but true....

 

You know, I don't think I ever knew what that quote meant until you used it in that analogy. I've been hearing it for years but never really thought about what it actually meant.

 

Also reminds me of a very similar quote from The Who's 'Won't Get Fooled Again':
"Meet the new boss
Same as the old boss"

 

Lol.

 

I've heard this is a masterpiece

 

You've heard right.

There's been a million OJ documentaries in the last 20 years.... Made in America is by FAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRR the best.

 

Even hearing all of this, I'm not inclined to watch it. The entire OJ saga bores me to be honest with you.

 

It bores me to death as well. It's the most over-discussed murder case in history. There's not much "mystery" about it. Everybody on planet fucking Earth knows OJ did it, yet got off due to the LAPD's incompetence.

HOWEVER, Made in America is captivating and keeps your interest.

 

I'm definitely going to watch it at some point

 

I was bored of this case back in the 90s.

 

So was I, and I was skeptical going in.

It's worth the watch. It's about far more then just OJ and the Brown/Goldman murders.