Okay, so apparently there's no point in Mayweather - Dela Hoya fighting?

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The conclusion of this board:

A - Mayweather beating Dela Hoya means nothing, he's shot and old.

or

B - Dela Hoya beating Mayweather at 154 means nothing because Floyd is naturally smaller.

Wisdom everyone.::

 

I think this is a weak super fight. I think your premises are true. I will watch it because I am a junky but I am underwhelmed by this fight.

 

Yeah but it's kind of funny seeing the same people who claim "boxing is dying!" step back and say "I ain't payin' $55 for a PPV boxing card."

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It's a shit card. If Oscar really wanted to help the sport like he falsely claims he would donate a million bucks and put some of his fighters on the undercard. For 60 bucks, there should be at least 3 good fights and one for a comebacking veteran or a flashy prospect. Rocky "Poop" Juarez is a cure for insominia.

 

I don't see why the two are incongruous statements.

Might one be an example of the other?

The price tag is $55 for a card with one ppv level fight.

This is a clear example of the over-pricing of pay per view fights.

Furthermore, it's another example of how money is driving boxing more than anything else.

I know the response is that boxing is a business, but you don't see the NBA putting the Knicks into the NBA Finals because they play in the biggest market.

 

I suppose the undercard is kind of slim, but I don't think it's horrible. Bautista's fight is going to be a slugfest, and I expect the same from Rocky's card. I do agree one more fight with quality G fighters would've been great.

It just seems funny that with all the discussion this fight has generated, that it's apparently not an important bout afterall.

 

It is important for the main stream. My friend invited me to LA to watch the figh, even though I have plans. He said come on dude "Oscar versus Maryiweather" should be cool To us message board guides, this fight is just a stunt to fool the public.

 

If money wasn't driving boxing, do you think HBO or Showtime would even blink an eye at the sport? If you want to watch a sport not driven by money, you better start reading up on Sheep Tossing, or Horse shoe throwing, and even then I'm sure money exchanges hands in some amount.

Also the Knicks example suggest that Dela Hoya has done nothing at all in the 154 division to be in this fight. Isn't he the WBC Belt holder?:dunno:

 

I'm enjoying the SIZZLE with an eventual anticipation that the steak is going to be BAD.

Floyd is barking but he won't bite, I'm expecting he will STINK out the joint.

 

No shit money drives the sport, but if the money doesn't bring better fights then why should boxing fans care about the fights?

The Knicks example is apt, because there is a set structure in the NBA that doesn't allow the league to cherry pick who plays on it's biggest stage.

The way boxing is set up, the money of HBO, Showtime and promoters allows for just such cherry picking.

 

You have much to learn. Here are some issues:

• Floyd Mayweather truly becoming the first fighter to win titles in five different divisions, and beating Oscar de la Hoya to do so.
• Oscar perhaps (unlikely) proving that he is one of the top 30 ever, pound-for-pound by beating Mayweather.
• Either way, the winner of this match could be considered one of the 50 greatest fighters in any weight.
• The show! Haven't you ever been to a college football game? It isn't just about supporting your school; it's about the spectacle: the cannons, the cheerleaders, the tens of thousands of fans, the costumed faggots and the beer.
• The superstars.
• The greatest event boxing has to offer.
• History.

 

First off the Knicks example stinks because it's a different type of market. Boxing is based on singular personalities and the people who watch each sport have different motivations for paying the "ticket" price.

As for the money issue, you don't think money has that same kind of unbalancing effect in the NBA or MLB? You don't think teams with more popular followings and higher ticket sales can't afford better players? ::

It might be in a different way, but money drives things in every popular sport. Just talk to the LA Clippers, or the Milwaukee brewers if you have any doubts.

 

And you need to learn how to read.

I basically got those arguments from the various Dela Hoya-Mayweather threads on the forum.

I never said those were my personal sentiments and if you read the thread you would see I am defending the fight as something worthy Zachary.

 

Why would I read your posts from another thread? You've been exposed as a bullshitter repeatedly. No one pays attention to you, except for people laughing at you. :notallthere:

 

You always read my post. You're obsessed with me Zachary.

But this thread isn't about your man-love, stay on topic.

 

Bad example using the Clippers?

 

Are they popular now? When I used to watch the sport seriously they were considered shit.

Point still stands though.

 

I remember watching the Clippers against Kareem and Magic in the San Diego Sports Arena. Damn, that was a shitty arena. No wonder they moved.

 

Having money wasn't the issue with the Clippers, it was spending it.

What was the point? That there are salary caps for teams in the NBA and a draft lottery to even out the playing field?

The fact that the Knicks aren't any good right now based on years of bad contracts is a prime example of the point.

The point is, boxing isn't legitimate because it's run at the top almost entirely by outside money interests, and those money interests have an apparently decreasing concern with the quality of product (fights) they put on.

Networks can decide which games they'll televise to a degree, but they're locked into the NBA Finals or the Super Bowl or the World Series no matter who ends up playing in it. They don't have the power of HBO to decided, based on monetary reasons, what is or is not a mega-fight. Back to the point, this fight is big because of the money involved in it, not because it's a great boxing match.

 

I just don't like the basketball or super bowl example because it doesn't fit well into the boxing analogy. Also salary caps mean shit in today's era of "mega signing bonuses". Geebus. :doh:

There's only one super bowl and one NBA finals. There are 3 major sanctioning bodies, and dozens of minors ones. So that gives networks a bit of leeway to choose what champions to show. If you're talking about networks showing the "true" champion, I don't think they've done that badly lately.

Taylor, Calzaghe, Mayweather, aren't they the #1 fighters in their division? They get a lot of airtime which is fair if they are indeed the #1 fighter in their division.

I somewhat agree that this fight may not turn out to be a great boxing match, but I'll take my chances because I like the sport.

 

Is there really someone on this site that said, "Dela Hoya beating Mayweather at 154 means nothing because Floyd is naturally smaller."?

I'd be shocked if more than one or two people made that claim. Mayweather regardless of his size is the betting favorite in this fight.

 

http://www.fightbeat.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16769

 

Admittedly, I'm a sucker for the big event.

I get all anxious and hyped, I start tapping my foot on the floor uncontrollably when the last undercard fight ends and they're preparing for the main event, when the fighters have their entrances and the crowd is going nuts.

Remember New Jack City when Ice-T wanted to shoot Nino Brown so bad? That's how I feel about this fight.

 

I fully agree. I'm excited about this fight.

 

I'm going to be shaking like a leaf in the wind...when the two fighters start making their way into the ring...

 

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Yeah, that was how I was when Roy Jones fought Ruiz. I'll probably be nervous but not quite to that extent on Saturday.

 

Ice-T fucked up Nino good though.

The bigger question though is Ice-T Dela Hoya, or Mayweather? :dunno:

 

And just like RJJ-Ruiz, you'll see the smaller guy getting his punches off first and befuddling his opponent with movement..granted Ruiz and De la don't belong in the same class, but does De La Hoya have it in him to do any better at this stage?
Another parallel: Ruiz claimed he as going to outbox RJ, De la Hoya has spoken of being Floyd's mirror image i.e. beating him at his own game....thats stretching the analogy a bit, but I can only see much the same conclusion...

 

I dunno. Floyd hangs out with 50, who is Nino Brown, because he's a snitch.

 

Ha, that had to be one of the worst lines in cinematic history.

"I wanna shoot you so bad, my dick is hard!"

I admit, I get caught up in it when I'm a big fan of one (or both) of the fighters, even if it's someone on the undercard. Last year, I ordered DLH-Mayorga mainly because Kassim and Guzman were in prelim/co-feature bouts. This year, I'm looking forward more to a potential fight party at someones house than the actual event itself.

Even though it was more of a foregone conclusion going in, I was more hyped for Pac-Morales III (I was also seriously hyped for the first one as well).