Prime Bernard Hopkins vs. Jermain Taylor

Instead of the 40-year old version that Taylor got, he gets the one that stopped Glen Johnson.

 

Hopkins late stoppage

 

The Glenn Johnson Hopkins would have slaughtered Taylor in a one sided fight.

 

Past prime Hopkins beat him in my eyes. The 98-01 version of Hopkins would beat the brakes off him badly.

Hopkins KO 9

 

I don’t even think Taylor beats a pre-Hopkins version of Trinidad.

Tito would have found a lot of holes in Taylor’s defense.

 

That would have been ugly. Jermain is way too hittable and Tito would have eventually gotten him out of there in a highlight reel stoppage.

 

Taylor ain't even a lock over Antwun Echols.

I mean, he's a solid favorite, but Echols would have had a puncher's chance.

 

I'm most likely on my own here but I still think Taylor gives Hopkins some issues. Don't get me wrong I think Hopkins wins, but Taylor's twitchy style seemed to really throw off Bernard's timing. Obviously a younger Hopkins would work it out quicker but I don't think he has it all his own way in the early stages.

 

I think it's a respectable opinion to have, but the 1997 Hopkins was just a complete different beast compared to the old man who faced Taylor in 2005.

I think Taylor holds his own for maybe 3-4 rounds, but after that, I think it's a pretty one sided battering.

 

Once Hopkins gets that right hand going against Taylor's bow and arrow jab it's party time

 

Prime BHOP Stops Taylor 9-10ish, Maybe Later, or Wins a CLEAR UD...

Taylor Caught BHOP @ the Right Time, Period...




REED

 

i don't view 160 pound trinidad as much of a threat at all to top middleweights. sure he knocked joppy out. but after the tape incident, he never showed power like that again.

 

Hereeeeeee we go...

 

I agree with Double here. Tito us very overrated at MW; beating Joppy is about as impressive as beating Roldan or something. Maybe even that's generous. Point is, I'm not convinced beating somebody like that makes you a world beater. Especially not when you're only over fight at the weight is taking a monumental beating off somebody who's eight years older and isn't a puncher. I get that Bernard was Bernard, and not many people would beat Tito like that, but that doesn't mean Tito should be favoured over proven commodities at 160.

 

Thing is, is Jermaine Taylor proven? For me, he was always shaky. He really struggled with even the mediocre level guys. Taylor is one of those guys who had the look of a great fighter, but he never was able to put it all together, even with Steward in his corner.

 

Taylor went 12 boring, uneventful rounds with a shot Joppy...

Hindsight is 20-20.

Joppy was seen as a legit threat going in. Tito was the betting favorite, but quite a few at the time were taking Joppy.

It might not look impressive 20 years later, but at the time Joppy was considered the 2nd best middleweight in the world, and it was extremely impressive.

 

Taylor won every single round and dropped Joppy. No reason to bring that fight up as if it's some knock on him.

With hindsight, we can safely say Joppy was nothing special. Just because people thought he could've won at the time doesn't make the win impressive.

 

Tito, even without the wraps, would khtfko Taylor

 

I would never call Joppy anything special. But at the time, he was considered a top 15-ish P4P guy.

Tito destroying him in 5 one sided rounds was very impressive.

 

This still doesn't mean anything, though. Even having him in that rough, top 15 area is overrating him IMO. Just because he was overrated then doesn't mean he should be rated highly now.

Being destroyed by Hopkins is far more indicative of Tito's level at 160.

 

That Hopkins would destroy any middleweight in the last 20 years.

 

That Hopkins would beat any middleweight of the last 20 years. He wouldn't do that to GGG of Canelo.

 

Canelo would go into a shell and lose all 12 rounds. He didn't have the balls of Tito to keep coming forward. So if you wanna take that as some moral victory, be my guest.

Golovkin might very well get stopped. Speaking of Joppy, Joppy was a better opponent than anyone Golovkin had faced pre-Jacobs. He was getting hyped to the gills destroying LESSER opposition than Trinidad did in his initial middleweight fight.

 

GGG is not getting stopped by Hopkins and Canelo wouldn't just quit and go into a shell. If he was happy to walk GGG down, he'd be happy walking Hopkins down. Sure, he'd lose clearly - they both would - but they'd be more competitive fights than the ass whupping Tito was given.

Yeah, Joppy is better than anyone GGG fought before Jacobs but he'd fit right in in that era. GGG of 2014 would demolish Joppy.

 

Well, Golovkin wouldn't fight Hopkins, so it truly would be a mythical matchup.

I dont think Golovkin has any success with a fighter on the level of 2001 Hopkins.

I now believe he was kept away from quality opposition for a reason.

I'm not even convinced Golovkin beats Trinidad.

Tito fighting Golovkin's opposition would have gone undefeated as well.

 

This is why I say Tito is overrated at MW.

GGG would've wiped the floor with Tito.

Any great middleweight would.

 

Couldn't wipe the floor with Jacobs...explain that..

And please, dont sit up here and tell me Jacobs was better than Tito..

Jacobs was considered a total sham before the Golovkin fight. It was only afterwards that Jacobs was considered quality. But no one stopped to think, maybe that indicates Golovkin is overrated more than it does Jacobs being quality.

Because any "great" middleweight SHOULD HAVE mopped the floor with Danny Jacobs.

Golovkin has never "mopped the floor" with a SINGLE top fighter. Not a one.

There's nothing to suggest he mops the floor with a HOFmer like Tito other than the myth that surrounds him.

 

In reality, there's nothing to suggest Tito would beat Jacobs.

GGG in 2017 was not the same fighter be was even two years prior, I think this is pretty obvious. Even if he was, Jacobs was 20lbs bigger than Tito and doesn't have a shaky chin.

When Golovkin lands on Tito, and he would, he'd knock him out.

Maybe it's a case of GGG being overrated, maybe it's a case of Jacobs being underrated, maybe it's GGG was past his best, maybe it's all three but I don't see what bearing this fight has on a GGG-Tito match up.

 

I stopped reading after that first sentence.

If you're questioning whether or not Tito could beat a guy who was dropped by Sergio Mora and got a gift over a totally shot Gabe Rosado, you've lost the plot.

Every single loss on Trinidad's resume is against a HOFmer. It's almost disrespectful to think some 2nd rater like Danny Jacobs could do what one of the top 5 greatest middleweights of all time pulled off.

Trinidad would waste Jacobs.

 

I highly doubt that.

Jacobs stood up to GGG's power and arguably has a win over him. He was also very competitive with Canelo. His win over Derevyanchanko is better than Tito's record at middle on it's own.

GGG is a big puncher than Trinidad by virtue of being 20lbs heavier. If he can take his power, he can take Tito's. No question.

Jacobs is a favourite over Trinidad.

It's not disrespectful to think anything. Trinidad is DWARFED by these guys, and his record at middleweight consists of beating up a 3rd rater and getting annihlated.

Tito is extremely overrated at MW, you're proving it.