Quitalie is starting his champion emeritus shit again

dsimon writes:

Fucking loser. He says he wants to fight the Peter Maskiev winner. The idiot will:

1) Get injured and set the division back another year waiting for another fight.

2) Will win and strangle hold the division as he won't, nor should he, fight his brother.

3) Will lose if we are lucky. But Maskieve is inconsistant and Peter is lazy and has shown that he is hardly solid.

How can it be that two fighters, neither of whom are elite level, can influence the division so much? Quitalie is the worse... his one claim to fame was fighting tough in a losing fight to Lewis, he should have no truck with the division. Lewis, the true champ would never make a request like Quitalie did to put him automatically at the front of the line.

Vlad, while I have no problem with his safety first fight, hardly merits the consideration of anything more than an Eastern Euro stand in for the division while real talent is lacking... sorry Dym but I am going to borrow that idea from you. And damn it there is no one coming down the pike to put these two automons where they belong.... looking up from the canvas in a horizontal position.

If Peter would train seriously and be ready like he was during the second Toney fight he could clean the division out but he is lazy and already starting to slip from bad habits... Unfortunately one can write him off at this point. Brock could take him frankly.

Dammit!!:doh: :doh:

 

There should be a contingency plan written into the contract: if Vitali pulls out, Wladimir has to step in.

 

dsimon writes:

Isn't Vlad going to fight the winner of that fight anyway? Thats a good idea Mitchell.

 

Jim Lampley Continues to HINT AROUND @ Wlad Being IRKED by Vitali's Tactics...Supposedly, Wlad Feels like this is HIS Time & Isn't Necessarily Thrilled about Sharing it w/his Brother...


REED

 

I have no idea what Klitschko's going to do. Povetkin and Thompson are the #1 contenders for his belts, but neither is a big name.

If they want to rehab his rep they should get him back in the ring this summer, and against a name American heavyweight.

I think Rahman may be a likely candidate if he doesn't defend it against a #1.

BTW, regarding Peter, I still think Valuev would handle him and I don't think he does any better in a rematch with Klitschko...no matter what kind of training camp he has.

 

Dsimon writes:

Trust me its a moot point. I very seriously doubt we will ever see Peter as well trained again as was the second Toney fight. I think he will become a non factor in this next year. I mean it is crazy because the guy peaked and then let it slide right away from him after that by being innactive and obviously not training like he should.

 

dsimon writes:

Those two are like two stupid kids that way. Seriously. Its kind of pathetic. They live such insulated lives that they can still act like they are adolescents. They should at the very least watch clips of Maxie and Buddy Baur. ::

 

I don't think you're factoring in Toney's condition. IMO, Toney won the first fight...narrowly, but clearly, and so did a lot of people ringside.

But he still took a lot of punishment in the fight. He looked like a shot fighter in the rematch, as he did again in his next fight against Batchelder...even though he tested positive after the fight.

It's a lot easier to look better when you're fighting a small heavyweight who relied on reflexes and timing when their reflexes and timing are gone.

 

Vitali's got dibs on the 2008 Olympic Heavyweight and Super-Heavyweight Gold Medalists as soon as they win a Title Belt......................in 2013!

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Champion Emeritus. :shit:

 

Haha I was going ot suggest the same plan. Just have Wlad on stand by to unify. :clap:

 

What did Mr. Slap-a-Hoe say about Wlad being irritated by Shitali's tactics?

 

dsimon writes:

Good possability. Peter still looked good for that fight but Toney could have been shot and/or Toney may have thought he had found the right keys to victory and that it would be easier the second time. I agree that Toney won that first fight. I am also glad that Toney didn't get a chance to fight Klitschko (in winning the decision) because Klitschko is too big for Toney and might damage him in the ring. Good as Toney is he does not have a punch that can take out a true heavy.

 

Peter jabbed in the rematch. When he did that in the first fight, Toney could do nothing...it's just that Peter isn't a jab-first kind of guy under normal circumstances.

Toney was a fraud of a heavyweight anyway. Very smartly matched though.

 

He just Alluded to Wlad NOT Being All that Happy about Vitali's THREATS of Returning...


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dsimon writes:

Totally disagree. What was fraudalent? He showed consummate skill against Rahman and in the first Peter fight. Toney could easily have beat everyone in the division except Klitchko because of the size difference.

 

It may depend on how you believe he made the weight. He tested positive after two of his fights, but there were constant rumors of it...brought on in part by the injury problems he had at the weight.

His best performance at heavyweight was when he dismantled Holyfield. His ever-expanding waist wasn't made for a long stay at the top, though, that's for sure.

I guess not having to make weight was a little too much for Toney to handle at that stage of his career.

 

if Quiitali really does intend on fighting the winner of Maskaev/Peter, it almost changes my mind of who I want to win. Originally, I would've wanted Peter to win. But Maskaevs superior skills and straighter punching give him a better chance of separating Quitali from his senses (which is what we all want to see anyways).

And Quitali isn't that hard of a puncher, so Maskaev's chin isssues shouldn't be a factor (assuming of course they somehow aren't against Peter).

Maskaev is a bit of a knockout artist. He knows how to time that right hand and throw it straight as an arrow right to this chin. This is what I wanna see him do to Vitali, the tongue chewing dork-fuck.

 

Wow. If Vitali has one thing going for him, it's punching power. If one thing Maskaev has got going against him, it's his chin. You need to watch tennis instead of boxing. Then you don't have to observe anything, just watch the center net.

 

Because he GOT BEATEN by Rahman EASILY. Some peopl called Toney the best @ heavyweight. Who'd he beat? Name me a single top five fighter.

Absolutely pastic response. "Could have beaten everyone" wahhh wahhh. Losers make those kinds of excuses. Cheaters do as well.

 

wtf do you know. Vitali isn't a light puncher - but he's not a hard puncher. and it's certainly not his primary strength. you can go to hell. ::

 

steroids or not, he made a fool of Ruiz. and went tooth and nail with Peter in the first fight. the guy's a middle-weight. he has no business at heavyweight. considering that, he's done pretty well for himself.

also, he knocked out Holyfield. admittedly, a shot Holyfield. but Toney is shot himself.

Toney's not a top 10 heavyweight, but it just doesn't seem right to say derisive things about him when he's fighting at least 2 weight divisions above where he should be, and able to withstand the incoming.

 

You thin Maskaev's chin is substantially better than Danny Williams' chin?

Maskaev brings more skill and ability to the table, so Klitschko would have more to deal with, but to say Maskaev's chin wouldn't/couldn't be an issue seems to questionable.

 

Vitali would kill Maskaev. They can both crack, but Maskaev can't take a shot and Vitali can. Peter would be a harder fight for Vitali than Oleg.

 

Out of all the bullshit insults Lennox has had to put up with, this is one of the worst.

 

Maskaev and Quitaly already fought once, and Oleg simply dismantled the quitter in under 2 rounds. If they fight in the pros, it might go a little but longer (3 or 4 rounds), but the result will be the same.

 

dsimon writes:

a ha! I thought Ashes meant something else. Steriod abuse would be fraudelant indeed.

 

dsimon writes:

he beat Rahman imo and he arguably beat Peter as well that first fight. Edit: Lets not forget (as I did initially) the Ruiz and Holly fights) Which means in essence he was at least competative with the best guys in the division minus Klitchko.... Easy argument to make Ashes! opcorn:

Regarding the Steroids I didn't know you were referring to his steriod use, that is a valid argument.

And I also prefaced my posts saying that I am glad for Toney's sake he did not get the decision because Klitschko would injure him..... Again, I hardly am concerned with Toney winning his bouts so he can win a bout with Klitschko or be a winner in the division.... But the fact is he was competative and solid in his fights in the division.

Pathetic?.... maybe? but imo more like a simple disagreement regarding the Rahman fight. I am not alone is thinking Toney won that fight, Rahman himself was quite humble in word and deed to Toney after the fight.

 

dsimon writes:

Indeed.

 

I wonder if you missed my point?
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Lennox, like every other fighter with a functioning brain, would do exactly what Vitali is doing by taking advantage of his emeritus status to get a quick title shot.

 

dsimon writes:

Vitalie has been pushing for holding a title with his brother, it is their dream and our nightmare. There have been effects from this that have held up the works in the division Lewis has not been a party to this so naturally I don't know his feelings about it. I like to think as a class act he might consider the effects of something like this on boxing, maybe I am naive.

We won't know because Lewis is retired.... The very fact that Lewis has retired shows that he has better judgement than Vitalie:tease: