Ray Leonard vs, Margarito

This came up in the General Forum and I am curious if anyone besides Double L gives Margarito a chance.

 

Margarito has no chance of winning and he would lose a wide decision but it wouldn't be a mismatch. Margarito's pressure would make Ray remember that he had been in a fight

 

Margarito's pressure is too slow to even be competitve with Ray. Leonard TKO 11, in a one sided fight.

 

Leonard UD 9-3

 

Ray didn't wilt under pressure from Hagler and fought him for 15 rounds. He should stop Margarito in 10.

 

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Nobody has said Ray would wilt here btw

 

Incorrect. Title fights were still scheduled for 15 rounds in those days but Ray made Hagler drop it to 12 as one of his stipulations.

 

Ray Leonard by UD...11-4 kinda fight...Ray Leonard pulls away in the late rounds 10-15...really putting a beating on Margarito...

 

leonard fucks him up.

 

Leonard was just too good...but he ain't stoppin Margarito.


Leonard by one sided UD

 

Leonard should cruise to a unanimous decision here. I don't see him stopping Margarito, though. The guy is a big, strong guy and he is tough as nails. He would keep trying, but he just wouldn't be able to handle Leonard's vastly superior lateral movement and handspeed and he lacks the tools to track Leonard down or trap him, namely quick feet, a sharp jab and a defense that makes him somewhat difficult to hit.
Margarito is as open as a 7-Eleven so Leonard should be able to snake plenty of quick, zinging punches through whatever semblance of a guard Margarito would bring to the table.
Margarito is crazy tough, he's been down once I believe in his career but he is not a guy that is much of a candidate to lose by stoppage. Leonard might buzz him a few times, especially late, and open up but Margarito is a survivor and he would stay up, but he is not winning this fight.

Leonard very comfortable 9-3 or 10-2 type of decision

 

If Margarito got buzzed by Leonard, he'd be done for. Ray had the killer instinct of a great white, and knew how to finish better than any fighter in history.

 

Leonard runs around and wins a wide decision

 

Oops on the 15 rounds, but it doesn't change the point that Margarito would be thrashed and outclassed.

 

Sloth ass Margarito isnt Hagler... Ray wouldnt run from him.

 

Ray wouldn't necessarily "run" from Margarito but he wouldn't just plant his feet and trade with Margarito. Leonard wasn't a stupid fighter and wouldn't give Margarito the only chance he had of winning.

 

In spots I think he would trade. The differance in speed between them is so big that Ray could afford to trade in spots. Ray had an excellent chin, and Tony's power isnt devestating. But in general, he'd be on his toes, hitting Tony with combos and moving away.. but not "running".

 

U've Gotta Forgive Roboto...He Only Knows of the LATTER Day Leonard...



REED:hammert:

 

Yep...

CIRCLING or TURNING Margarito, but Almost ALWAYS in Punching Range...He Most Certainly WOULDN'T Fight as Cotto did for the 1st 6 Rounds...


REED:hammert:

 

Yup. And in addition to Ray being MUCH faster than Cotto, Ray's left hook carried alot more power than Cotto's as well. I wouldnt be surprised if Ray seriously hurt Tony late, then stopped him. Marg has never faced a puncher as fast, and sharp as Leonard. But you cant really blame him, cause theres currently NO welterweight as fast, and sharp as Leonard was.. and hasnt been since Ray retired.

The closest we've seen is a prime Mosley. But whilst a prime Mosley had comparable handspeed to Leonard, he lacked Ray's power, accuracy, footwork, and skill.

 

Exactly how i see it. Leonard could afford to trade, but he'd do it when it suited the situation. I don't see him trying to match machismo against Margarito like he did with Duran.

Ray just would way too much skill for Margarito.

I don't think he stops him though.

 

Ray would dominate him and stop him around 10

 

Margarito is TOUGH, crazy TOUGH

Until I see someone really hurt him bad, I dont see anybody stopping him

 

lets assume he did try to do that.

Duran is faster, much more skilled, equal in terms of pressure, and Leonard still won 5-7 rounds of the trench warfare.

He would annihilate Margarito however he wanted

 

Probably correct, but Margarito was bigger, stronger and tougher than Duran and with Leonard's movemet and speed easy to outbox so there is no reason for Ray to make the fight difficult for him.

 

I could see a compassionate stoppage in this one whether from the ref or Tony's corner in the 12th or 13th. As Cdogg says, Margarito's as tough as they come but the volume of punishment he would ship in this one would be fucking inhuman and he would wilt at some point, if only through sheer exhaustion from taking such a sustained pummeling. His face would look like a bowel of dough balls by the end.

 

I don't see that happening. A more likely scenario is Leonard moving in and out, landing flush combinations and getting out of harm's way. He would put some hurt on Margarito but he wouldn't have his foot planted on the accelerator the whole time trying to bash his head in.

 

Maybe given the size discrepancy. I know I bang on about that in allot of these MM and nobody seems to agree, but the fact Ray came into the ring at 145lb and Tony comes in a 160 odd might well be a significant factor. Not significant enough to give Tony a chance but significant enough to mean he survives rather than wilts. In my mind I'm picturing Ray against 1979 welterweights and Tony against 2008 welterweights as if they're the same size, which they obviously aren't.

 

Correct.

 

Margarito would have gotten his ass badly beaten and would have been stopped...especially if it went 12 rounds.

This talk about Margarito being "big and strong"...don't forget, Leonard is 5'10" himself. It's not like he's short like Mosley, Floyd or Cotto.

Leonard was so fast, such a techinician that Margarito would have gotten hit with shit he never saw which would have laid his ass out. It's not always a matter of how hard you punch (and Leonard could fucking crack) but how and when the shot is delivered.

Guys are making too much of Margarito's toughness. He's never fought anyone with anywhere near the skill level of Leonard. This fight is a mismatch.