Rematch?

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Rematch?

  1. Yes, I think Chisora can improve on that

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  2. No, he had his chance

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  1. Hut*Hut

    Hut*Hut The Mackintosh of temazepam

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    Would you like to see Vitali rematch Chisora next?
     
  2. Ugotabe Kidding

    Ugotabe Kidding WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    There is really no need for a rematch after a 10-2, 9-3 fight where the winner is never in danger. On the other hand, outside Povetkin and perhaps Haye it is the most interesting Vitali fight that can be made, if that says anything
     
  3. Hut*Hut

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    You'd have to expect he'd start round 1 fighting with the aggression he showed from the middle rounds onwards, now that he knows it works. I think it's a real fight.
     
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    Or, he'll keep eating Vitali's left for more than three rounds next time if we suppose Vitali won't hurt his hand again and thus the whole fight goes as the first three rounds last night
     
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    I want Povetkin to man up and have a go at Vitali. I give him a chance if he comes in in good shape.
     
  6. Shoeshiner

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    Id rather see Helenius vs. Vitali.
     
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    Helenius is garbage. He'd have no chance in hell against Wlad or Vitali.
     
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    Give Huck a go at Vitali. That would be a funny fight.
     
  9. Hut*Hut

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    Chisora-Haye
    Helenius-Solis
    Vitali-Povetkin
    Wlad-Arreola

    Those are 4 fights I'd definitely tune in for
     
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    Based on what?
     
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    Huck is garbage. He'd have no chance in hell against Wlad or Vitali.
     
  12. Ugotabe Kidding

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    Agreed, though only because Huck deserves a beating even more than Chisora and Haye together. Povetkin will probably end his heavyweight journey next weekend though
     
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    Styles.
     
  14. Shoeshiner

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    Please explain.
     
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    Huck is garbage. He's hilarious when he loses his temper.
     
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    I fancy like the look of Kubrat Pulev, FWIW, I hope he gets a high profile fight soon.
     
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    Helenius is not good enough or does he have the style or speed to trouble the Klitschko's. I think Chisora's style works better than how Helenius' would,

    Do you honestly believe Helenius can trouble them?
     
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  18. Shoeshiner

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    Thats not an explanation. And yes, he can match Wlad in reach and jab, and if he connects on his chin he can ko him.
     
  19. Irish

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    The place would reek of cheap leather jackets and even cheaper cologne. You couldn't get parking for miles thanks to all the shitty slammed BMW's and Mercs parked around the place. Huck. :doh: A glorified doorman, and as protected and looked after as Michelczweski ever was. I bet he was 119-109 up on the cards when Cunningham finally stopped him :lol:
     
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    Regarding Chisora- I am not sure about Vitali's hand. If he really did injure it- and Helenius claimed a similar injury to the right hand after his fight- then that would put things in a somewhat different context. Vitali really is a left-handed fighter, his short-left hook is what stops guys getting in close, its his key weapon really, because the right hand feeds off it. We'd really need to see if he really did break his hand, or hurt it otherwise. If he did, then, meh, a rematch might not be so necessary.

    However, if he has slipped- and I think he has and considerably so- and the hand was not really badly damaged, then a rematch might reveal more. Kauki has always professed that the way to beat Vitali is by matching him with the left. For Lewis, this meant stepping in with big jabs and firing a right behind it. For Chisora, and anyone else at a height disadvantage, this means shuffling in behind a persistent jab to the chest and unloading bombs as you do so. Some of Chisoras clubbing body shots really were taking a toll- some of them were to the kidneys too.

    I wouldn't mind a rematch, from the boxing point of view. It was far from a crap fight. However there is the added consideration of sitting through another two months of Chisora's bus-burning nonsense, and in that sense I would say fuck it. Not interested.

    Vitali has spoken of achieving some dream or other before he retires. If that is the case he best get the finger out and do it soon because he is in clear decline.
     
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    Reach yes, jab no. Helenius doesn't have much of a jab at all, whereas Wlad's jab is among the best in history. Helenius punches really hard, but he is at his best when his opponent attacks, he can't come forwards himself. He seems to have a good chin, but he also has a porous defense.

    Helenius will always have the chance to score a KO, but most likely Wlad would fight him extremely carefully and outpoint him with the jab from a long distance in a dreary fight
     
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    Helenius can't fight.
     
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    Helenius can fight in a very limited set of circumstances, and displays great composure. He's a great finisher too, but there are too many ways to beat him and too many ways to take him out of his game. He can fight, but he's very very limited. His main problem is he has no jab. At British/European level that might get you so far when you are 6'7" 240 with a punch and a chin, but when guys show up in shape and force the pace, he's fucked. He is legitimately tough but......
     
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    He's got the Amir Khan syndrome. If they get in close, hold on and hope they stop punching. He's tough and has outstanding composure under fire. But, as stated, he has no jab, limited movement. He'll finish anyone he hurts, and that includes Wlad, but he'll never get to hurting him, because he's got no jab and no style for hunting down a tall jabber. Anybody who rushes in blindly, he will kindly take them out. He'd have done a better job on the same Mike Tyson that Danny Williams beat, but thats about it.

    By rights, as of now, pending him purging the stench of the Chisora loss, he's not a player.
     
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    Not saying Helenius is anything special. But due to his size and punch, he can definately catch Wlad with something.
     
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    He might, if he can get set, which he won't, because Wlad will be moving and jabbing, and Robert will be walking around with that stupid Peter Stormare look on his face.

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    I don't need an explanation, mate. You just need to go and watch Helenius fight and you'll know what I mean. Basically, his defense is shit and will get exposed by the klits.
     
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    Huck isn't protected.

    You would lose the bet, too.

    Rafael Lopez Santos (105-104 Huck), Harry Davis (108-101 Cunningham), Wally Snowball (106-103 Cunningham)

    Snowball is from South Africa; Davis is from Canada; Lopez is from Mexico.
     
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    That was a joke mate, a fucking joke. By the way, note the usual close-decision sort of scoring :wack: Cunningham won that fight outright bar the first three rounds. He was 8-3 up at the end, and won the 12th too.

    Huck is protected. Lebedev was breaking him down to the guts when the referee jumped in and started issuing warnings about low blows. Lebedev eased off, Huck wins the usual, standard-issue razor thin "oh, it was a close fight, coulda gone either way, shucks" decision that home-towners love to dish out, a la Campillo vs Cloud last night.

    Huck is a minor celebrity in Germany, Lebedev is a simian with a cleft-lip. Doesn't require a college degree to know who was going to get looked after.
     

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