Scarier knock out

I didn't get to see Williams-Martinez live so I won't vote. But I remember thinking for a second Hatton was fucking dead when I watched that live.

 

So did I. And not for a second either. I thought so for at least a full minute.

MTF :jaw:

 

Pacman-Hitman.

 

Paul's fall was a slower one so you knew he was out cold. Hatton was standing up in one frame and laid out on his back in the next.

 

Cool statements.

 

Hatton vs Pac.

And the scariest in living memory is Gamache-Gatti. His eyes just rolled around in his head like balls in a bingo machine.

And fuck American scribes who bitch about Europe. The scales never balanced for Gatti at the weigh in. The size difference was huge by fight-time.

 

Who cares!

Look at how much weight David Haye gave away to Nikolay Valuev: virtually 100lbs. Gamache was crap!

 

Sly you outdo yourself.

Haye and Valuev were heavyweights, where disparities in weight are an accepted part of the deal.

In any other division, the making of weight is key.

Fighters who are exempt, whether by contract, or cheating, or some other arrangement, from making the weight, carry an unfair, and, on occasion, dangerous weight advantage.

In fact your comment was so dumb it's not even worth arguing..

 

Gamache did look rather tiny compared to Gatti. Gamache was also a featherduster.

Strangely, his fight with Chavez was ended with Gamache's face looking like an extra from Dawn of the Dead, but he finished it on his feet.

 

...and yet here you are. To quote Obi Wan Kenobi, who is more foolish---the fool or the one who follows him? ::

 

I understand about the "deal" issue...and I agree that it was legally and ethically wrong...but I'm saying that a weigh advantage is a weight advantage and the Haye Valuev was proportionately much worse yet the smaller man won. Gamache was crap! Weight had little do with it. Gatti would have knocked his ass out anyway

 

It's not the same Sly.

It's not the 2 or 3 or 10 lbs you weigh more.

It's the fact you didn't hurt yourself to lose them.

One guy is drained, the other guy is fresh...and bigger at that.

It's a double whammy.

In typical American fashion, the manner in which the rules had been flouted was considered to be less important than the spectacular "entertainment" which resulted from same.

 

Gatti also drained himself to make weight. He did that many times actually.

 

Yes but for the Gamache fight the scales never balanced. Gatti came in heavier and got heavier overnight. It was a brutal mismatch but rather than investigate a potentially damaging affair, people preferred to laugh it off with "Gamache is shit". :blackcloud:

 

Cmon it had to be Williams Martinez . Poor Paul looked dead. I mean i saw somebody has the ko picture in their signature just look at it. He looks legitimately dead.

 

Proof? I remember reading at the time that the scales did balance, and as soon as Gatti got off the scale, he started drinking fluids.

When Gamache and his team saw that, they started complaining and tried to get him weighed again even though they knew he had already started intaking fluids.

 

I agree. Plus, the punch that Martinez hit Williams with seemed like a much harder shot even if the results were similar.

As to Gamache/Gatti...as I remember, the main allegations were basically that Gatti didn't make weight and he was a couple of pounds heavier at the time of the weigh in...like 142 to 140. Sure, a fighter can gain an advantage by not making weight (corrales castillo), but it doesn't make the fight so unfair on its face that the outcome was destined. The big deal in Gatti/Gamache was the fact that they let it happen (the weight disparity) without acknowledging it and compensating Gamache accordingly with $$$.

 

I question if the people who voted for Martinez/Williams have seen Pacquiao/Hatton.

 

I think they may have voted that way because the Williams ko is fresher in their mind.

 

Go watch them back to back on youtube like I just did.

The Martinez KO is more brutal, although they are similar. At least Hatton was breathing when lying on his back. He looked knocked out. Williams was glazed over. He looked dead.

 

Yeah, and then a minute later when Williams got up, what was Hatton doing?

 

Yeah, good point. That, and some people need to be different.

 

People who are different should be ostracized and outcast.

 

Agreed.

 

Something about the way Hatton's arms recoiled back to the canvas was just freaky looking. The traumatised deep breathing was fucked up too. That wasn't normal breathing, it was of someone in severe physical shock. The Hatton KO has more shock value to me.

The Williams KO was probably more of a total spark out KO though.

 

Honestly, it's very close. They both looked like goners for a second, literally.

 

Was either as bad as the Herol Graham KO? Pretty close 3 way contest there, IMO.

 

Agreed (two times in a month now, you're doing good, Hut!)

The breathing freaked me the fuck out

 

I tell you what the Hatton KO looked like - somebody who'd just been disabled from the neck down. It looked like he was conscious and aware but straining to get up but couldn't move a muscle. The deep breathing wasn't of somebody out cold it was of somebody in some sort of terror. Just looked horrible.

 

No contest.

Graham Jackson was on another level of scary