Shane Mosley vs Ken Buchanan @ 135

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  1. whiskey

    whiskey Czarcasm

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    Who wins and why?
     
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    Buchanan, obviously.

    He fought Roberto Duran.
     
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  3. cdogg187

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    The only reason Mosley would win this is because he would be 150 fucking pounds on fight night

    if he were a real lightweight, Buchanan would jab him silly and dance all night
     
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  4. Hut*Hut

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    36 hour weigh ins? Might as well match Buchanan against Nino Benvenutti.
     
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    exactly
     
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    Ugotabe Kidding WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    What if it was the same day weigh in but Mosley was allowed to commit every foul possible?
     
    Ugotabe Kidding, Aug 25, 2011
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    What makes you think Buchanon wouldn't have benefitted too?

    Perhaps Ken would have fought at a lower weight and took advantage of rehydrating.
     
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  8. Irish

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    Same-Day weigh-in and Buchanan shows what the difference between a great boxer and a speedy-slugger really is.

    Remember, that the post-juice Mosley had Cotto up on his toes, out-jabbing him.
     
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  9. cdogg187

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    what makes you think we have any way of even quanitifying that?

    Buchanan was actually a lightweight

    Mosley was a welterweight masquerading as one

    as an aside, even having weigh-ins is a joke now since NOBODY IS EVER ACTUALLY IN THEIR OWN WEIGHT CLASS ON FIGHT NIGHT

    boxing sucks
     
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  10. Ramonza Soliloquies

    Ramonza Soliloquies "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    I will add one consideration no one has yet.

    Buchanan has a gargantuan advantage in experience, especially in terms of elite competition, at LW, where Mosley fought largely nobodies.
     
    Ramonza Soliloquies, Aug 26, 2011
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  11. Neil

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    only in terms of actual professional fights
     
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    Ramonza Soliloquies "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    Really? So you wouldnt class sharing a ring with the Lagunas, Ortizs and Durans of the world as giving you an advantage in experience over fighting the likes of Phil Holliday?
     
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    Ken Buchanan was unquestionably a better fighter than Shane Mosley.
     
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  14. cdogg187

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    In fairness to King Carlos, he was a shot alchoholic when Buchanan fought him
     
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    I think my point holds, looking at who these guys fought at LW.
     
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  16. cdogg187

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    I don't disagree, just think Ortiz is a poor example under the circumstances he was in

    Buchanan would've beaten Mando Ramos, too
     
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    Quite true, but he wouldn't be fighting Mosley in either case.
     
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    36 Hour Weigh-In's or Not, Ken Buchanan NEVER Saw Anything like Shane Mosley, @ 135lbs...Mosley HAS to B Favored Here...



    REED:Lok:
     
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    And Mosley saw Buchanan's like? How many masterful boxers with tungsten chins, razor sharp jabs and fierce will did Mosley face at 135?
     
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  22. Ramonza Soliloquies

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    Im really just echoing CDogg, but the reverse is just as true.
     
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    a young mosley shared the ring with plenty of guys better than holiday.
     
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  24. Ramonza Soliloquies

    Ramonza Soliloquies "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    True, but thats hardly the point is it?
     
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  25. Neil

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    mosley had plenty of experience. he had hundreds of amateur fights all around the world, and sparred with legends. there is no experience advantage here in this matchup.
     
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  26. Ramonza Soliloquies

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    You may as well say there is no size advantage for Mosley, given the weigh-in of their days.

    Im not even picking Buchanan to win necessarily, but it is flat denial to argue you learn as much fighting Mosleys LW competition as you do Buchanans.
     
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    @ 135, Admittedly ZERO...

    But is Buchanan Really UNLIKE Vernon Forrest???...N REED's Opinion, Buchanan Bears a Stylistic SIMILARITY to Forrest, Only he's SMALLER, Not as RANGY, Not as STRONG & Not Nearly the PUNCHER Forrest was...

    So YES, Mosley DID See Buchanan's Like...But Again, WHEN did Buchanan EVER See Mosley's Like, @ ANY Weight???...



    REED:mj:
     
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    VERY Good Point...

    Sparring w/the Likes of Chavez, Sr., Dela, Genaro Hernandez, the Ruelas Brothers, etc., Certainly MINIMIZES Any Perceived Edge in Experience for Buchanan...



    REED:hammert:
     
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    U've Got to EXCUSE the Duran APOLOGISTS, Ugo...By PROXY, Anybody that Duran Beat is Better than Mosley...


    REED:Lok:
     
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