So....Floyd vs Cotto, who wins?

Based on what we saw of Cotto last night. Who's your pick and why?

 

My pick is Cotto for two reasons

1.Castillo already beat Floyd once by using a similar style Cotto uses and Cotto is bigger and strogger than Castillo was
2.I hate floyd

 

Mayweather by decision.

 

It's really hard to pick against Floyd against anyone... I think Cotto has the style to give him a lot of trouble, especially his combination punching... Right now, I'd favor Floyd but I'll reserve my judgement for after the Hatton fight...

 

Gotta see Floyd vs Hatton. I'm not sure he gets past that one. Floyd would be 31 by the time this fight happens, as good as the lil' fucker is, I'm not sure he's got the legs, speed and workrate at this point to beat a strong bull like Cotto. Hard fight to pick.

 

Naturally y'all know that I'd pick FLoyd, so no surprise there. BUT..Cotto impressed me last night. His jab is very good, he's faster than I'd given him credit, he's tougher than I'd given him credit ad he's more versatile than I'd given him credit.

he's a TOUGH fight for Floyd and one that Mayweather HAS TO TAKE before he retires.

Before last night I would have picked Floyd by an 8-4 type decision. Not anymore. It'll be a close tight fight, but still difficult to see Floyd lose that one...with his superior defense and uncanny accuracy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LciIie3a_bQ

 

dsimon writes:

I think Floyd wins. Hatton will be a much tougher fight for Pretty Boy. Problem with Cotto is that even though his defense improved and he can jab, he leads with his head and floyd is accurate enough to pick him apart and never let him close the distance. He will hurt floyd occasionally when he catches Floyd setting for a counter (one of Floyd's weaknesses) but not win that fight.

Cotto's style is amazing and his boxing skills top notch but he really needs to perfect his original game to fight Floyd. What he does not do, or did not do against Mosley was to plug the gap, the space between them. Floyd will murder him in those gaps... remember that punch Shane threw around Cotto's guard? Floyd will throw those all night.

Hatton is better at distancing his opponent when he does not hold. I actually think the version of Zoo that Hatton fought beats cotto.

 

:: :bears: Same reasons here!

 

dsimon writes:

Nah. Easy fight for Floyd. Bet the house on that one. Easy fight. And if Floyd loses to Hatton don't be one of those bitches that says Cotto would beat him. :: Cotto showed something else last night... he showed that he does not have the confidence to use his style and see it through... to perfect it and make it flawless. I am actually happy he can jab and box but doubt this would help him against Mayweather. mayweather CAN COUNTER jabs! Its what made Oscar stop jabbing.

Tell me Sly one: What does Cotto do when his jab gets countered regularly, he cannot get past the gap between him and Floyd because of Floyd's straight Right?

 

dsimon writes;

Let me add that Cotto is one of my favorite fighters BTW.

 

The way I've seen it Dsimon is that Shane adjusted using a stick and move approach around the 6th after being dominated by Cotto (Shane looked very worried and at some point I thought Cotto had beaten the fight out of him). He became successfull with that approach and Cotto decided to exchange the roles with Mosley because of that. I thought he was countering beautifully even though the HBO crew seemed to think Shane was backing him off even though he wasn't landing so many effective blow. I also think Cotto realized he wouldn't stop Shane so he chose to use a more conservative approach. I don't think it was a question of confidence, it was more a question of intelligence. If Floyd did the same thing, that's what people would be saying. People seem to always expect Cotto to move forward relentlessly even though he's got more to his game than just that. I remember reading that Cotto fought like a pussy against Abdullaev for the same reasons even though Cotto was absolutely putting up a clinic in the ring. Boxing fans always find an angle to bitch about a fighter...::

 

I don't think he ran like a bitch, not at all... but there's no way Miguel wanted or should've wanted to end the fight like that. He was holding his own and winning a few rounds but it's a fact Mosley won the 2nd half of the fight and closed stronger. He was fighting a 36 year old for christ sake.

 

dsimon writes:

I am ambivalent about it. I agree with you 100%. it was the smart thing to do and he fought great doing it. My problem is that it won't help him against Floyd... What will help him is to figure out how to do damage to the body against anyone, relentlessly, no matter the fighter.

See I am looking purely technically here and I got to tell you, did Cotto fight great boxing last night? absolutely! But I like how he beat Judah because that would be how you beat Floyd. And what concerns me is that unlike Hatton Cotto does not fight into the space he needs to launch his attack. Hatton manages by throwing from different angles... Floyd can't counter that very well. Cotto tries to come straight in and if he can't he used his jab.... Not a bad approach but I think it gets him stopped if he winds up fighting Floyd.

 

I won't deny that it's a possibility, Shane may have forced him to fight this way by landing his overhand right and his bodypunches, those were effective for sure. He was cut in his mouth and may have wanted to avoid being hit too often. I can see the two sides of the argument.

 

dsimon writes:

He was winning rounds though. He was simply landing more on Mosley than Mosley was landing on him. He fought well, its just that he needs to do the things he does well better to develop the magnificence of his approach. His distancing was off a bit, and Shane could tie him up because of it.

 

BTW Dsimon, I don't think Floyd would stop Cotto be right now I agree with you about the outcome of the fight, as much as it pains me to admit it, I think Floyd wins it...

 

Floyd looked like nothing against a shot old DLH. Floyd's ready to be taken, he's overrated. Cotto would f*ck him up but Floyd would continue giving his back and causing the ref to break them up, while Floyd does his pitty pat sh*t and runs around on his bike boring the crowd half to death.

 

in the 8th round, Mosley illustrated what feints and movement could do to Cotto. Floyd would probably win 10-2, but with Hatton there is moe possibility.

Hatton doesn't need to set his feet before he fires his stuff, he isn't so orthodox that Floyd will be able to time him so easily.

You can mark my words that the Hatton fight will be close, and that if Floyd wins and takes on Cotto, he will destroy him.

 

I'd say, whenever Cotto manages to catch Floyd, he'll hurt him, possibly more than Floyd will have ever been hurt in his career. But those moments won't be often enough, as Floyd otherwise wins a convincing, though not particularly lopsided, exciting, or even entertaining, decision.

 

dsimon writes:

Oh give it a rest already. Hanzinidian you should know better!:nono:

 

dsimon writes:

Finally someone with some sense! :bears:

 

Exactly! I could not agree more. Great post. :bears:

Cotto showed alot of wrinkles in his game. And btw, he's been showing those for years (to your point) - people just haven't been paying attention. ::

This is exactly why PBF-Cotto is a toss-up fight at this point....and even more so next year.

Let's see PBF-Hatton, that will tell us a few things.

Peace.

 

And it took him exactly one round to adjust.

 

tough fight for mayweather at times but his movement would be key to defeating cotto. mosley didn't have the legs or discipline to execute such a gameplan.

mayweather 8-4

 

he neither adjusted, nor did he win the 9th round as you've claimed.

Mosley did seem affected by what Cotto offered, especially his left jab, which was consistently his best punch. I had it 6-5-1 Cotto calling the 5th even, but on further review, Mosley did alot more in there than he seems to be getting credit for on this board. In the 8th he committed to a strategy that he didn't show for the rest of the fight.

 

cotto wins which is probably why fight will never happen. pbf's got his one and only redeeming quality to protect - his undefeated record. that's irreconciable with a matchup with cotto.

 

First off this fight has to happen. In my eyes Cotto could possibly win by KO. PBF's chin is not as solid as solid as mosley and if he takes any of those types of shots he will get stopped. Also he's not as physcially strong as Cotto. The question will be can PBF hit Cotto with anything that will discourage him. Also how will Cotto do against PBF's speed and quickness and his accuate punches. This is must see TV here. However I will say that this fight won't happen anytime soon cause Shane was told by his boss that if he loses then it will be DLH/Cotto May 5th. For a fighter of Shane's warrior mentality to concede and not want to pursue a rematch reeks of loose tooth BS that he claimed last year. I'll Holla 5000

 

That's quite correct Mr Hanz, I do think we rather see eye to eye on this matter.

 

Actually you have plenty of people here scoring it 6-5-1 or even 6-6, so Mosley's getting plenty of credit (as he should).

Cotto did certainly adjust. Mosley bounces and moves and jabs (and lands some hard rights) in the 7th and wins it, Cotto is a step behind.

It was in the 7th that he began to use this strategy, not the 8th.

By the 8th, Cotto is stepping laterally to cut off the ring, ups his offense and lands some great jabs to cut the distance and fires the overhand right - and Mosley is forced to fight; and Cotto wins the round.

It is BECAUSE of the 8th that in the 9th, Mosley goes back to being aggressive..and Cotto begins to play the role of boxer.

the 5th was a clear Cotto round - that was when Mosley was looking most tired and discouraged (the 5th and 6th). And you give it to Mosley?

As for the 9th....to me it's clearly a Cotto round and I broke it down in the R-by-R by time. That's as clear as I can make it. Cotto jabbed his head off and countered him clean. It's close, and if someone has it even, fine.

I can also understand if Mosley's power shots there caught the eye more. Ok. Score it for Mosley.

But it's not a clear Mosley round by any stretch.

Overall, I can see 7-5. I struggle with 6-5-1. But some people I respect have it that way, so I acquiesce. ::

Peace.

 

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