So much for Pacman being a natural featerweight

MY ITALIAN ASS HE WAS A NATURAL FEATHERWEIGHT


dude weighed more then Hoya by the time they fought..hoya only had the height advantage

manny might as well fight Margarito if he is gonna come into the ring weighing 149 pounds

 

No way!

 

That "being natural ---" thing is pretty much crap always. Fighters these days change their weight plenty, and what is natural for a fighter isn't necessarily the same as what is the best weight for him. Kelly Pavlik is not a natural 160 lbs (he is bigger) but that is his best weight. Manny is not a natural light-welter but probably now he is better at that than he would be at super-feathers.

However, some were already proclaiming that Manny is past his best. I disagree

 

Manny is a natural featherweight. Not even an especially big one.

 

:dunno:...did DLH weigh-in the night of the fight...or did he just told the HBO people.."my weight tonight is 147"...??!??

Pacquiao is a NATURAL featherweight....who happened to fight wat look like a finally completely shot DLH...

 

Dela Hoya wasn't shot.

Pacquiao was just too fast. This was the same Dela Hoya who fought a SD against Mayweather 18 months ago.

 

No it wasn't but nice try...it's the same DLH that fought Forbes though...

 

It's the same Dela Hoya that 90% of this board picked by KO.

 

dsimon writes:

Manny is a great fighter but that fight was fixed. One more bit of proof is that this board is seldom wrong on a big fight like this.

 

when your talking about a 35 year old fighter who's fought about 3 times in 4 years you don't really know if the guy you pick is gonna show up

 

Now it's a fixed fight? So Dela Hoya threw away hundreds of millions of dollars in potential earnings so he could make Manny more marketable? As far as I know, G only has partial options on Pacquiao with Arum taking the kings share. Why would ODLH enrich Bob Arum? :dunno:

 

Yes, but you do know that he will be as prepared as he can be going into a huge fight. DLH is just shot. He put in good work in camp.

 

When has Oscar ever gotten his ass kicked like this before? Let's see, his last 3 fights were against, Forbes, Floyd Mayweather, and Ricardo Mayorga. Seems like pretty good company there, and Dela Hoya fucked up two of those guys, and took Floyd to a disputed SPLIT decision.

Where were the signs that Oscar was declining then?

Manny made Oscar look old. That's it.

 

Now before I continue, I'll admit, Oscar wasn't in his prime, but he was still a damned good fighter who fought to a disputed split decision against Mayweather (I could see Oscar by a point).

To be honest, I was completely sure that Manny would win this fight against Oscar, but I was worried that Manny wouldn't handle the weight too well. When I saw Manny's progression in training during 24/7, and saw that his physique actually looked BETTER, I knew he would kick Oscar's ass.

His vast superior in speed was how he would save the day, but also his spirit as a fighter and person. The thing not many people consider in fights like this is a person's spirit. Pacquiao fights for his people, and Oscar fights for his wallet. You can't compare the two motivations. I knew even if Oscar hit Manny hard a few times, Manny wasn't going to fold because he had 90,000,000 people who depended on him for hope. I knew if Oscar got hit hard a few times, he would be more likely to fold because let's face it, Oscar isn't wanting for much these days.

This is what kills me about this fight, and I KNEW this is what would happen if Pacquiao won. It's part of the reason I don't bother with boxing messageboards anymore. People are coming up with the most ridiculous excuses and not looking at the facts.

Excuses:
- The fight was fixed (Oscar took the beating willingly).
- Oscar has always been shot (yet he took Floyd to a split decision 18 months ago)

Facts:
- Manny has always been the faster fighter (Oscar has always had problems with faster fighters - Mosley, Floyd).
- Manny carried his weight up to 147 fantastically.
- Manny is in his prime, and Oscar, although still a good fighter, is not.

I don't know what to say anymore. If people want to take some of what happened last night, and trash it, that's fine. But what Pacquiao (and Oscar) has done for boxing is almost immeasurable. Last night proved that Boxing can still be a major player in sports (in a time of economic uncertainty at that). If you guys want to piss all over it, I don't care. It's just very sad.

 

dsimon writes:

I understand your point which is why I hate oscar even more... At this point when I think about this fight it sickens me frankly.

You may be right that it is just Oscar's motivation BTW. The idea that either way he can cash in on the fight so why try hard? To me that is also criminal though.

It is plain to see his effort last night was pathetic... we just do not know why. And I hate to assume the worse but it seems obvious to me from the weigh in and on things were just so fishy. And looking at Oscar's sense of resignation without so much as mixing it up with the "smaller" man...

Lets say for the sake of argument that Oscar was on the level... then he should not fight again ever.. He is really not that old but he is shot and his mind is in other places. You could see it in his corner last night... The guy is just fishy fishy fishy!

 

agREED...

& Whipping DeLa's Ass DOESN'T Change that FACT...DeLa Got PUNISHED by a Natural Featherweight...


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I picked MAB to easily beat Pacquiao back in 2003 because I thought he was a chinny 122lber. ::

 

you're a fucking idiot

 

I thought Panchito Bojado would develop into an all-time great and KO Floyd by this year or next. ::

 

:bears::bears::bears:

 

Yes he is obviously a natural WW, which is why he weighed in at 142.....oh wait a minute the weight limit is 147. :: Anyone who has 2 fucking eyes can see who is bigger between Oscar and Manny. I predicted the wrong guy to win but oh well. Oscar is still bigger than Manny. Manny won because he is faster,fresher and Oscar has never liked fighting southpaws....ever.

 

Yes, that's exactly what he is, a natural featherweight, who bulked up to 142 pounds to fight Oscar - you fucking mook ::

 

This is incorrect, at least the not shot part. I don't believe he's too far removed from the Mayweather fight, but believed that he was approaching shot status and really didn't care to ever see him fight again beyond that.
And let's stop pretending the FM fight deserved to be a split decision.

Even Oscar being at the end of his career, Manny still deserves credit for beating on him the way he did while fighting at his walk-around weight. No need to prop up Oscar anymore than necessary. It's an incredible performance regardless of where Oscar is today.

 

Agreed.

 

Good post. Oscar certainly did appear shot, but Manny's fight plan and execution were superb. He used movement moreso than i think he ever has before. If Pac tried to ambush Oscar early he still may have won, but he would have taken an uncessary risk and could have been KO'd.

I don't think there was a single thing he could have done better. Yes Oscar was finished, but that wasn't Manny's fault. He went out and did the job to perfection.

 

Manny looked disinterested at 130 because he had a hard time making weight.He's more of a lightweight/Jr welterweight now

I also want to say that Manny Pacquiao is an enigma,he gained all that weight and looks the same as he did at 130...and he still maintained his speed and mobility.

 

dsimon writes:

Watch your mouth Aaron. You disagree with me no need to act like a retard becasue of it.

The theory has been outlined and it is plausible. It is also possible De La Hoya quit

 

No, there isn't you fucking faggot.

You people propagating this fix thing were absolutely wrong about the fight. There is no need to be a jackass and try to diminish what happened. You were fucking wrong. There is no way a guy throws a fight by having his face disfigured.

Sergio Medina arguably took a dive, thats what a fix looks like. Hell even the quit job DLH put up against Hopkins...thats what a fix looks like.

Did Marco Antonio Barrera throw the fight against Pacquiao?

Did Gatti throw the fight with Mayweather?

This is an absolutely fucking stupid take, and I wouldn't expect it from anyone who thinks they're remotely intellgient.

You giving credence to this bullshit tells me you are a miserable fucking retard, as is anyone else claiming a fix.

 

We have to disagree then. I see "shot" as someone like Roy Jones Jr when he fought Calzaghe. He had bad bouts against Tarver three times, Johnson, and even in his wins against Ajamu, and Trinidad, you just knew Roy wasn't what he once was.

Dela Hoya knocked the piss out of Mayorga (quicker than Mosley mind you) in 2006, and took Floyd Mayweather to a Split Decision just 18 months ago.

Past his best, sure, but not completely shot. No need to prop up anyone, just need to examine the facts. People are forgetting that based on Dela Hoya's recent fights and performances, they were ALL (yourself included I believe, correct me if I'm wrong), picking ODLH to win. But hey, hindsight is 20/20.

 

Jake Picked Pacquiao...His FORESIGHT is 20/20....



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