To Date, Chavez Jr's Biggest Prizefighting Asset is his MATCHMAKING...That Speaks LOUDER than Jr.'s Height, Reach, Power OR Trainer...God Bless him, but Peter Manfredo COULDN'T even Win "The Contender", so Excuse REED if he Doesn't Praise Jr. for Beating Him... While Chavez Jr. has DISTANCED himself from the Monk Foreman's & Laila Ali's of the World, he Still has YET to FULLY Remove the Sideshow STENCH that's Permeating his Bouts... REED:Lok:
indeed he is, I used to loathe Chavez Jr. because he was being force fed to us on PPV undercard vs scrubs. But he as proven to be a very decent fighter and it'S shocking how so many people would pick anyone over him
Of the Recent Wave of Pugilistic OFFSPRING to Capitalize on their Famous Boxing Father's, Jr. has EARNED a Degree of LEGITIMACY...Laila Ali APPEARED to B on the Way to Doing Likewise (PRIOR to Chavez Jr., in Fact) but she SHAMELESSLY DUCKED Ann Wolfe, in what Would have Been THE Most Important Fight in the History of Women's Boxing... Instead, Laila Fought Frazier's Daughter & Used the THREAT of Ann Wolfe to Make Her Own (Laila's) Undercards More Appealing, so as to LINE her Own Pockets...In Hindsight, Laila Ali NEVER Gave a Fuck about a Boxing LEGACY, she just Wanted to Get Rich... Chavez Jr. has DISTANCED Himself from that, if NATHAN Else... REED:dancingBaby:
Like REED said Manfredo couldn't even win the contender. He SEEMS like a decent fighter, but he's never really beaten anyone. And Chavez JR seems better since when anyway? He arguably lost to the German, didn't look too hot in that fight.
I agree w/ Reed. He's certainly gone further than most of us expected him to. .. not that that's saying much.
JC Chavez Jr is the walking, talking personification of good management. He's fought the right guys at the right time under the right conditions. He carries an insane weight advantage. He's basically a 175lbr by fight time....180 was the figure I heard bandied about. He's also hooked in with Ariza. :shit:
Arum wants a De La Hoya/Chavez jr fight made. LOL. http://www.boxingscene.com/arum-eyes-de-la-hoya-vs-chavez-jr-grudge-fight-2012--46206
Again, it's DIFFICULT to Tell, Based on WHO he's Fighting...The SAD Truth is, there's Probably NOT a More PROTECTED "Name" Fighter than Chavez Jr, Currently...Very FEW Modern Fighters have Done as LITTLE (In Terms of Fighting ELITE Opposition) in Damn Near 50 PRO Fights... By Comparison, Canelo Alvarez is 4 Years YOUNGER, has FEWER Fights, yet Fought Infinitely BETTER Competition... REED:mj:
I refuse to give him any respect until he fights a live opponent. Put him in there with Rubio or Martinez then we will see whats he's made of.
I see the improvement with each fight and he has a very fan friendly style. You have to remember this guy has no amateur background. After 1 or 2 (max) more fights, I'd throw the kid in with Martinez and see if he can swim. Let the first fight be Rubio, the second be either Canelo or Martinez and if Canelo then let the third be Martinez. Even if he loses, he is young enough, popular enough, and yes even good enough to bounce back. I enjoy watching him and look forward to his next contest.
I would look forward to his next fight too, but right now I just regard him as a 160/180lb , Mexican version of Joey Gamache. He's basically a protected, localized commodity whose opponents are cut-to-order specials. Eventually they will zig when they shudda zagged and then we will see how he turns out. Right now he is parlaying a size/freshness advantage into wins over "name" fighters.
Mike Grant had no amateur background and he beat Izon, Obed Sullivan, Savarese, Gonzalez, Golota en route to a showing vs Lennox Lewis where he did better than Golota and no worse than Frans Botha. He's still going too and I would say has a better rez. than JC Jr at this stage. If we are going to set a standard for guys with 1 or 2 amateur fights, then I would say that is it.
I find it interesting there's anyone on board when it comes to passing off Chavez Jr's amateur career as prime-time boxing. And I'm surprised too by the number of people sympathetic to the case that Chavez isn't ready for this guy or that. That line didn't apply in the past and it certainly doesn't apply now. If Chavez Jr. is ready for PPV and HBO, then he's ready for the best. That's how it should be. The fact he's managed instead to use that stage as a training ground is as much a reflection on fans as it is on the promoter and networks.
Chavez Jr. is doing exactly what he should be doing to develop as a fighter... fighting a ton. He looks like he's getting comfortable in there. I didn't think he would get this far... he's obviously improved a ton since he was being featured on PPV undercards years ago. His bouts just shouldn't be on TV and no one should have the nerve to call him a world champion.
Well, he claims he's ready for anyone, including Canelo or Martinez. Whether Arum will allow that to happen is another matter. He would have a huge size advantage over Canelo, though..
I would watch that fight, since it will be fun while it lasts. One of them will not last the 12 rounds.
chavez. jr. has improved but you have to considered where he began. Conditioning alone is making a big difference under Roach. I think what pissed people off is that he has already been featured in many ppv cards. He's been getting paid more than most prospects/contenders without earning it. What's annoying is that he is pretty cocky. he talks alot of shit in his Spanish interviews. Recently when asked about Martinez he said "Show me the money" fool can't speak English but he knows how to say that. Roach was talking out of his ass today saying he is ready for Martinez and that Jr. would kick the shit ouf of him. Suleiman basically said if Jr. is not ready for Martinez now he never will. But of course Arum keeps avoiding that fight.
Dwight Qawi had no amateur experience and was already in with the wolves 10 fights into his career in a 10X tougher era in one of the best divisions ever in any weight class 50 fights ought to be adequate to move up in class in the present scene Double L makes a good point, the fucking guy has been on TV, largely PPV from the beginning, protected to the hilt... it's not like he's out there fighting 10 times a year all over the fucking place anonomously against possibly dangerous comp
Quality-wise, I agree. But as far as entertainment - why shouldn't he be on TV? I can see the argument that his past two fights had no business being on HBO. But I personally think he's a fun fighter to watch. I've seen him in maybe two bad fights to date. But for whatever complaints there are, he's a ratings magnet. That alone dictates his marketplace. Ditto for Alvarez. I'm hardly a Canelo fan, but if he's pulling in big numbers on HBO, why shouldn't the network continue to bring him back?
He's a MANUFACTURED Ratings Magnet Though, TWIN...His NAME Alone Piques Interest...But If he Went by Juan Chavez and DIDN'T Have "JC SUPERSTAR" Walking him to the Ring Every fight, there's NO Way he'd have Gotten the TV Dates he's Gotten... Jr's Braintrust is VERY Smart...They've Matched him PERFECTLY Thus Far...In 50 Bouts, Jr. has YET to Engage in a 50-50 Matchup...:scratcher: Honestly, Jr. is the Boxing Equivalent of a BOY BAND...Record Executives MANUFACTURE these Groups w/a Decent "Look" & a MODICUM of Talent, to EXPLOIT to Teenybopping Pop Music Lovers...It's FRAUDULENT Music in a Sense... Being REAL, You Probably PERSONALLY Know Countless Fighters that are BETTER than Jr., yet they Didn't/Haven't/WON'T Get Even a Small % of the Press, Notoriety & TV Time that Jr. Gets... REED:hammert:
