Arum in the way of Pacquiao-Marquez III? http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news;_y...LYF?slug=ki-paqmarq031508&prov=yhoo&type=lgns -When they’re healthy, have no doubt that another rematch will come, despite heated postfight rancor. But it will also be a while before it does. Bob Arum, who promotes Pacquiao, categorically ruled out an immediate rematch. He’s planning to pit Pacquiao against David Diaz for the WBC lightweight title in the same building June 28, assuming Pacquiao is healed in time for that bout to occur. -“I’m not saying they’ll never fight again, but you have to let it bake for a while,†Arum said during an exchange with Marquez promoter Richard Schaefer. -But Pacquiao flatly ruled out another rematch, noting he wants to chase the lightweight belt. Pacquiao and trainer Freddie Roach were convinced he deserved to win the 2004 bout and was of no mind to see Marquez across from him in a ring any time soon. “I don’t think so,†Pacquiao said of a rematch. “This business is over.†-Schaefer offered Arum $6 million to bring Pacquiao back for a third fight. Arum wouldn’t hear of it, though he wouldn’t rule out that a third fight would occur in the future. Schaefer went on a tirade against the judges, prompting a crack from Arum over Golden Boy’s ownership in The Ring magazine. The Ring awards championship belts, which has long disgusted Arum. -The bottom line is that everyone who saw the bout wants to see it again. And even Arum conceded it would occur.
I highlighted the points about there not being an immediate rematch. Instead of one, Arum and Pacquiao appear intent on going ahead with a fight with David Diaz. If you think that puts Pacquiao in a negative light, that's your opinion.
Well, that was the plan BEFORE this fight: Diaz. I don't see why its somehow suprising. Pacquiao doesn't have long left.
Which is part of the reason why he makes these plans publicly known before a fight...as though the plans couldn't possibly be changed afterwards. The date and venue are reserved...but that's for Pacquiao, not for David Diaz, and there's no reason the opponent couldn't change. As though the casino wouldn't prefer to have Pacquiao-Marquez III over Pacquiao-Diaz. Arum sometimes couches the plans by saying, if they win...but examples like Pacquiao-Morales II show that the plans aren't really contingent on fighters winning. His reaction after this fight is pretty similar to the way he acted after DLH-Whitaker. Arum did talk before this fight of not only David Diaz in the summer, but supposedly he's already talked to Don King about putting Pacquiao-Nate Campbell on in Macao in the Fall. But that shouldn't be some built-in excuse for not making other fights. Pacquiao-Marquez II could have been made last year...but instead that date was given to the much less interesting Pacquiao-Barrera rematch instead. Now there's a chance to make a third fight...and instead it's apparently going to David Diaz. Marquez was heavily criticized, and rightly so, for the rematch not happening right after their first fight. This time around, it's not his side holding up another fight.
Arum may want to cash in on a Juan Diaz fight, it can still sell. Maybe fight katsidis or something. I dunno if they're eyeing Hatton in the long run, but wouldn't surprise me, since that's the only BIG fight Pacquiao have above 130 lbs.
Well, he wants Pacquiao to fight David Diaz...and he made sure to protect Diaz on this card putting him in a ten-round non-title fight.:: He's just preserving the title for Pacquiao.
but why the rush to move up? He wants to find a safe haven for pacquiao? Or is he looking to some fight in particular? I think that a Pac - Hatton fight may be closer than ever. Maybe schaeffer's bitching was all an act. Hatton is now a golden boy too, and that fight will sell out the biggest stadium in england, plus will do big number of HBO-per-view
This time around, is four years later, with both fighters having far less time to make the fights they want. Pacquiao has made no secret of his wish to go to 135 and challenge for a title there. It was supposed to happen on this date, but the Marquez fight was finally made and he put it off. He did it once and the fight was fantastic....yet Pacquiao didn't look quite like Pacquiao in it. Maybe he knows he needs this fight. He should know better than you or I, thats for damn sure.
sounds like another goldenboy/top rank fall out is looming. I'd rather see the third fight than pacquaio vs diaz.
Pac will take his gift and run with it. I guess i don't blame him. If i was him i would rather beat Diaz's ass then take a beating from JMM.
This is what kills me about promoters. They pull this type of shit. How in the hell would anyone rule out a third bout immediately after the fight. Especially how close these 2 fights were. If Pac was offered $6 million for the 3rd fight and this is the fight that fans want to see then why not make it happen. I mean he can move up anytime. It's not like there is a time limit for him to move up. There needs to be a third fight plain and simple. I'll Holla 5000
If Manny loses another fight, his killer aura becomes lost. The guy comes off as unbeatable, you have to remind yourself that Morales actually beat him. To Arum it is more important to keep Manny winning and maintain that aura and he will make up the money in the long term that he will lose in the short term. Or maybe this somehow fucks G's who also have rights to Pac, who the fuck knows.
Hmmm...agree that we should wait and see what unfolds, and that the camps & fighters know better themselves what is going on - than anyone else. That said, the most money is in a Pac-JMM rematch, almost no doubt. I also don't agree with the statement in bold...he didn't look "quite like Pacquiao" because he was in against Juan Manuel Marquez at 130 lbs.; no other reason. Peace.
Pac said he didn't want to fight JMM again anyway. It is ironic how Bob will do this when he is always saying that Floyd won't fight nobody.
I disagree, mate. Pacquiao hasn't looked like Pacquiao for the past three fights now, bro. Marquez wasn't in there for the other two.
I hear you - but Solis was awkward and admittedly Pac did not train fully for that fight - he still KO'd him. Barrera in the rematch came to fight defensively - but when Manny swarmed, instead of covering up (as he did in the first fight) he fought back and traded, which made Manny hesitant in spots. Vs. Marquez II - the same dynamics were there that were present in 2004 after the 1st round. Manny trying to attack in spurts, with a lesser workrate and more hesitation because of Marquez's footwork, counters and power/accuracy. It seems to me that if Manny isn't blitzing opponents and recklessly swarming them with unorthodox, off-balance flurries and taking shots in the process; people assume something must be wrong. But he can't do that with every fighter. The incoming, the power, the strength, the stamina, the skill level is different. He looked bad in quite a few spots and for some stretches vs. Larios - even getting rocked by Oscar - 5 fights ago. Vs. Morales II, he was once again losing the fight and being outboxed early...until he started to come on in the middle rounds and finally stopped a very faded Erik...6 fights ago. He lost to Morales 7 fights ago. Looked sloppy in alot of spots vs. Vazquez. Yeshmagambetov put him on his butt with a right hook. The last time he looked "like Manny"? Knocking out a VERY faded, weight-drained Morales in the rematch in the fight JUST before the last 3. Just feels a little too convenient, bro. Manny has ALWAYS been a streaking fighter...from fight to fight as well as within them. Usually, unless he hurts his man early, he usually takes a few rounds to really get going. I can understand the argument that Manny is showing some decline...he probably is; and he IS at 130 (his 4th or 5th division since he turned 18) and has 51 fights on his odometer. But I struggle to understand this thing about the "fire being gone" all of a sudden making big differences in his last 3 fights...especially when he was so prepared and motivated for this last one. Peace.
Finally, who sees what I do. Yes, and it's been 3 fights. Go into the thread I created and back me up.
mark my words. Pacquiao will get by diaz, then will get a fight with either Juan Diaz, or move up and fight Hatton.
what is the point of fighting Juan Diaz? he just got his ass kicked. funny when he was the champion a few months ago there was no plans on fighting him. DAvid Diaz is a gimme fight. by the way Diaz looked terrible last night against that Romano guy or whatever his name was. That might as well be a vacant tittle Paquiao will be fighting for. :dunno: JMM said he is willing to fight Pacquiao at 135opcorn:
David Diaz will always be in a hard fight because of his style - and he's relatively easy to hit. That being said - I'm not convinced that is a gimme fight for Manny. David is quite bigger, very strong, and absolutely relentless - he will not quite coming forward and crowding - and once inside he can punch very well. It might be much more interesting than people think. Peace.
Arum doesn't care if you lost your last fight as long as you can draw a good crowd. Juan Diaz is the perfect fight for Arum to cash in, before setting up a fight with Hatton at 140 lbs, which would be the biggest purse for Pacquiao. They want nothing to do with JMM.
he is not a bad fighter but the size would only be a concern if Manny was a little guy at 130. But he is huge and I'm convince his speed and power will carry up to 135 If that is the case Diaz doesn't have any advantages over him. I saw Diaz twice so far and haven't been impressed. I think he barely beat a shot Morales. I though he looked terrible last night in the opening fight. I think even Arum knows is a gimme fight for Pacquiao. So much he's been saving this fight for him and has gone far to make sure Diaz doesn't lose. Even making last night's fight a 10 round non title. Saying there wasn't room in the card for another 12 round fight. :: Diaz has been babysitting that title for Pacquiao. It might as well be a vacant tittle really.
