something Fishy in the Shane-Cotto fight?

am I the only one that noticed? Something Fishy is going on..

I heard Shane was a little under the weather.. maybe that's all it is..

 

Bad shellfish? :dunno:

 

delete.

stick to your men and dildo fantasies.

 

I just thing something was not on the up&up

 

I agree. It's obvious that he had a bad reaction to Cotto's jab and combinations to the head and body. Miguel's tactics were fishy....

 

Shane lost because of the Puerto Rican ref.

 

hey.. ,you might be joking Jake but that is kinda fishy..

And then there is Cotto's Shoes

 

PATHETIC signature.


Change it.

 

Make Me! :warning:

 

nope, not joking, echoing the sentiments of my new best friend and esteemed colleague, Uncle Mikey

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=11185

But the feeble New York State Athletic Commission, and its leader, Ron Scott Stevens, appointed three judges whose experience must have been garnered in that upstate institution known as Sing Sing. Stevens appointed another virtual novice to the Cotto-Mosley bout – someone named Wynn Kintz. Worse, he named a Puerto Rican ref, Benji Estevez, to work a fight featuring a Puerto Rican icon, and when Estevez halted action momentarily in the tenth round when it appeared Cotto was in serious trouble, dirty little thoughts crossed some minds. That there was a legitimate reason for the stoppage, water on the canvas in the area where Mosley would later slip and fall in the 12th, could not change the APPEARANCE of impropriety.

 

This was my favorite comment from the broadcast that Katz picked up on...

The hall of fame trainer asked Kellerman if Mayweather, should he beat (as expected) Hatton, then refused to fight the Cotto-Mosley winner, should still be considered champion. “Yes,â€￾ said Kellerman. Later, Steward said if Mayweather didn’t fight Cotto next, “Max can have him – I don’t want any part of him.â€￾

I find it interesting that Steward has always appreciated Mayweather's talent, but he's never bought into how "great" Floyd is. Part of it (a large part) has to do with his affliation with Cintron, who he knows Floyd will never fight but a large part of it has to do with his past relationships with Ray Leonard and Tommy Hearns.

Steward saw both as amateurs through the end of their careers. I get the feeling that he doesn't think Floyd would stand a chance against either of them (and I'm inclined to agree with him).

 

Both Ray Leonard and Thomas hearns would beat Floyd at 147lbs. I agree with this. But they would only do so because they are naturally bigger...in conjunction with their abilities.

P4P it would be different...although still very tough fights for Floyd.

Mayweather IS a great fighter...but comparing him with Ray Leonard and Hearns is like saying that Julio Cesar Chavez wasn't great because he'd stand no chance against either Hagler or Monzon.

 

That's a terrible analogy because Chavez never fought at 160. Hell, Chavez never fought well at 147.

There is no P4P debate when talking about Floyd, Leonard and Hearns because all spent their primes at 147.

I doubt you could find anyone who would say Floyd isn't in his prime right now. Therefore, placing disclaimers on any matchup between the three is silly.

Any way you slice it, I don't think Floyd has ANY chance against either guy. All three hit their prime years at 147.

 

Fair enough. But Floyd would be competitive with either even though he'd lose, simply because he's smart, elusive and has a very capable chin. But regardless of the fact that Floyd is in his prime and resides at 147lbs I think we ALL KNOW (including you) that Floyd's not a true Welterweight. :nono:

 

A better comparison would be like saying Pernell Whitaker would lose to Thomas Hearns/Ray Leonard @ 147 or Oscar De La Hoya would lose to Mike McCallum @ 154.

 

Yep. I'll defer to this comparison. :clap:

 

Leonard and Hearns weren't in their prime at super-middleweights when they fought and won titles. I wouldn't give either a snowballs chance in hell against Roy when he was at his prime at 168.

Floyd doesn't have issues making 147, therefore there's no reason to say he's not a true welterweight. It's not like he weighs in looking soft like James Toney.

Could he make 140? Probably.

 

Yeah as much as I love Floyd's boxing ability and all time great skill level, he would lose to Hearns and Leonard probably decisively. I wouldn't be surprised if Tommy knocked him out.

 

Floyd would beat Tommy..

Sugar Ray and Tommy were great but because they are no longer around they have been escalated to ridiculous levels.. FLoyd would Whup tommy and MIGHT beat Ray

 

This pretty much wraps up Floyd's losses.

 

Mayweather had trouble with with De La Hoya height/reach/jab....HEARNS would KILL HIM....

 

trouble? ::

 

Shane didn't do enough::

 

Yeah Mayweather was backing up and clinching because thats his style...

 

damn that's a real indictment on mayweather that he couldn't beat two of the greatest welterweights ever. both guys who began their careers as welters and one of which who went on to win a l.heavyweight belt.

mayweather of course started his career 17 lbs south of welter and made 10 title defenses there.

steward has always hated on mayweather because he is a great michigan born fighter who never had anything to do with kronk

 

They both won light heavy belts... although Hearns was the only one who actually went all the way up to 175 to win it. ::

 

Now you've got beef with Manny? :dunno:

 

yeah... a lot of trouble in BEATING the bigger man::

 

Well Mayweather wouldn't be teh bigger man in a fight against HEARNS!

 

I don't have any problem with steward. his biases clearly interfere with his ability as an analyst though.