No question Liston wins. Does Liston stop Chuvalo on his feet ala Foreman and Frazier with ease? Can George make it at all "interesting" other than being able to absorb heavy shots without being floored?
I don't see why Chuvalo would make it interesting, truthfully. Liston was more accurate than Foreman, hit similarly hard, & set up his shots better than Frazier, IMO. Still don't see Chuvalo kissing the canvas. Foreman unloaded with everything he had, & landed many a clean, weighted blow. Chuvalo just had a chin above any human punch, even Liston's. He'd never get past the Liston left hand, though, with that crouching, swarming offense, & he'd take punishment for trying.
As long as the referee let him, Chuvalo would march orward and get hit in the face over and over and over and over and over Liston in the easiest fight to score in history
LOL, you have to hand it to the guy... he was an absolute sponge, unshakeable... It was like shooting a rifle at the ground... sure, you will make some ugly craters and dents, but the gorund will still be more or less intact when you're done
how many times was Chuvalo knocked down in his career? despite being hit by ridiculous shots? Foreman couldn't miss and still Chuvalo remained upright
Id hardly call any one particular shot ridiculous. Not to mention they were both short fights...because he was stopped. You hit him square enough and hard enough or enough times or a combination of both, he's going out. Simply biology. Either that or he'll die in the meantime.
but that may not happen within a 15 round timeframe, that's the point yes, if George Foreman were to continuously hit George Chuvalo in the face for an hour or so with every shot being clean and flush he likely is unconsciousness or perhaps even dead but this is a boxing match, so that particular scenario is moot I don't think Ramonza meant that literally it is impossible to knock George Chuvalo down or out given the opportunity to hit him squarely 200 times without respite I believe that he was saying within the constraints of a boxing match, it seemed to be next to impossible to put the Canadian in this state Yes, he was stopped in the Frazier/Foreman fights because he wasn't doing anything, just eating shots like he expected them to exhaust themselves hitting him... but he was never down or close to it
It's nonsensical though to even suggest that Chuvalo couldn't be knocked out in a boxing match based on being brave in about a combined 20 minutes of a 90 minutes of taking some short, flush punches to his fully braced face. Especially considering, usually fighters become LESS durable during fights like that. I mean, if Mosely-Margarito would have stopped in the 4th round, would it be so ridiculous to suggest that Mosely would eventually knock him out? No, but that's because that's what happens when you take a ton of punches for a long time, you start to break down....especially as he gets tired, starts breathing through his mouth, etc. And as you said, Chuvalo didn't do much, which helped out his cause. I never once, in those fights I literally watched today just because of this thread and the ridiculous hyperbole associated with these supermen we call historic boxers(not today's boxers, they all suck, even the champions) but, I never once saw him hit with a punch he didn't see, or even a particularly hard counter punch. Those are the most devastating punches by far, if you get hit on the jawline or the point of the chin with a punch like that, it's shut off time. Chuvalo's myth is probably only present because the two fights where he was most in danger of being KO'd were stopped very quickly before it could happen.
Ive seen a lot of interesting debates over Boxing --- cant say Ive ever seen one over Chuvalos chin credentials.
Liston lost to that bum Marshall, quit like a bitch against Ali and was blasted out with one punch. No way he survives long against PRIME Chuvalo
He could very well have had the greatest chin of all time. It still doesn't elevate him to the mythical, superhuman levels you place him at.
I was using "bloody" in the way Brits do. However...he'd probably bleed this time anyway. Either way it's a brutal stoppage for Liston.
I don't know what to tell you, man the guy was a very average fighter but his chin was abotu as proven a commodity as you can have what's hyperbolic about pointing out that a guy who as never off his feet in a long career could really take a punch? I mean, if I say that Julian Jackson was the hardest puncher I've ever seen p4p, is that hyperbole? Is it hyperbolic to believe that maybe it was impossible to knock Tex Cobb down within the confines of a boxing match? He's known to have taken dives in two fights in the early 80s, but outside of that I don't recall seeing him so much as stunned in a fight... I mean, Ernie Shavers must have landed 120 right hands, most right on his chin, and all that happened was that Ernie got exhausted form doing it over and over, Cobb just didn't go anywhere... some guys have a great chance of just not getting knocked out
there's nothing mythical about suggesting that Chuvalo could last 15 with Liston and never touch the floor
